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    I found correspondence online from our inspector general to a congressman RE: 2257

    I was messing around with the Google "uncle sam" search feature and searched under title 18 section 2257 and this document came up. Here is just part of what it contains.

    " Obscenity Investigations and Prosecutions

    The U.S. Attorneys' Manual states:

    Prosecution of large scale distributors of obscene material who realize substantial income from their multi-state operations also is encouraged. Prosecution priority should be given to cases in which there is evidence of involvement by known organized crime figures. However, prosecution of cases involving relatively small distributors can have a deterrent effect and would dispel any notion that obscenity distributors are insulated from prosecution if their operations fail to exceed a predetermined size or if they fragment their business into small-scale operations. Therefore, prosecution of such distributors also may be appropriate on a case-by-case basis. 5

    The Manual further requires that substantial deference be given to the factors set forth in Miller v. California in determining the viability of potential obscenity cases. Officials within the FBI's Violent Crimes Unit and the Criminal Division's CEOS stated that because Miller v. California requires an assessment of community standards in determining obscenity, the Department relies more on the states and localities to investigate and prosecute obscenity cases involving individuals. The FBI and the CEOS also stated that because much of the obscene material is distributed over the Internet, it is difficult to identify a case's jurisdiction and therefore which community standards should be applied. They stated that the Department focuses its resources on investigating and prosecuting obscenity cases involving major producers and interstate and foreign distributors of obscene material. In addition, they stated that the Department investigates and prosecutes obscenity cases where organized crime or other crimes such as money laundering, extortion, and trafficking in women are involved. According to the FBI, since 1994 it has investigated a total of 58 obscenity cases, 12 of which were related to organized crime. "

    It also states:

    "Pornographic websites are prolific and international; on-line predators and pornography traffickers can easily mask their location and identity. According to FBI officials, the IINI has experienced difficulties in keeping up with rapidly changing technology that allows criminals to avoid detection. Another problem in these investigations is the lack of a requirement mandating the length of time that an Internet service provider must retain its records. While the larger Internet service providers are cooperative, thousands of smaller Internet service providers, when subpoenaed, report that their records already have been deleted. Perpetrators of child pornography crimes often are savvy to these recordkeeping weaknesses and use smaller Internet service providers with fewer controls. "

    Here's the full report This was written by our inspector General Glenn A. Fine to Congressman Frank R. Wolf.

    Notice that they only mention Miller v. California and no mention at all of the sundance case! Why do you think that is?

    It looks like they'll go after small guys to make a point and scare everyone. Unfortunately this document contains a lot of info about C()*P as well. I don't know why they lump all porn with C()*P. The statistics of cases brought before the court and the number that have been rejected, or cases lost is stagering. I also find the number of guilty pleas where people just gave up interesting.

    What do you guys think? Does this give you some insight as to where they are going to go with this?
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    That has nothing to do with 2257.

    It clearly says its about obscenity which is further backed up by them mentionig the Miller Test.

    Interesting read non the less

    It further backs up my theory that when the first 2257 prosecutions do start to happen, they will target the smaller webmasters to get some precidents set before going after the big guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee
    That has nothing to do with 2257.

    It clearly says its about obscenity which is further backed up by them mentionig the Miller Test.

    Interesting read non the less

    It further backs up my theory that when the first 2257 prosecutions do start to happen, they will target the smaller webmasters to get some precidents set before going after the big guys.

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    Right.. the correlation is that they'll be using the 2257 to help prosecute obscenity because of the dismal statistics stated in this report. It's amazing that about 1/2 of the cases weren't even brought to court because there was no evidence... so in essence.. they went to prosecute some poor innocent people who they had no evidence for!

    So with the new 2257... all they need to prosecute is see that a site doesn't have the section 18 warning and they're set.. automatic guilt and automatic reason to investigate them for other stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squirt
    So with the new 2257... all they need to prosecute is see that a site doesn't have the section 18 warning and they're set.. automatic guilt and automatic reason to investigate them for other stuff.
    They wont.

    2257 has nothing to do with obscenity cases.

    Any cereal-box FSC attorney will tell you that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee
    They wont.

    2257 has nothing to do with obscenity cases.

    Any cereal-box FSC attorney will tell you that
    the link came up number 9 on the uncle sam title 18 section 2257 search.. so it is related because obscenity etc is regulated by that title and those sections.

    AND when you read the report inspector general lumps C()*P with obscenity. This is what we've complained about for so long as well... porn sites being associated, and regulated, as if we are all C()*P Guilty until proven innocent. As a matter of fact the FSC attorney in his statement on AVNOnline mentioned this in part of the rebutal against the new regs.

    In the eyes of the DOJ obscenity and 2257 are related.. and they are the ones coming after us, guilty until proven innocent.

    Now do you see how they are linked?
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    OH and here's a link on the DOJ site that's an index for the correspondence I quoted above Titled Review of C()*P and Obscenity Crimes. Notice all the 2257 info in regards to this topic.

    Our attorney general and Congress also sees 2257 and Obscenity as being linked:
    A bill to restore the recordkeeping requirement of the Child Protection and Obscenity Enforcement Act of 1988.

    Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

    (a) IN GENERAL- Chapter 110 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end thereof the following:

    `Sec. 2257. Recordkeeping requirements

    `(a) Whoever produces any book, magazine, periodical, film, videotape, or other matter which--

    `(1) contains one or more visual depictions made after the effective date of this Act of actual sexually explicit conduct; and

    `(2) is produced in whole or in part with materials which have been mailed or shipped in interstate or foreign commerce, or is shipped or transported or is intended for shipment or transportation in interstate or foreign commerce;

    shall create and maintain individually identifiable records pertaining to every performer portrayed in such a visual depiction.

    Alberto Gonzales and the DOJ also see Obscenity and 2257 as linked:

    ATTORNEY GENERAL ALBERTO R. GONZALES SIGNS RULE IMPLEMENTING PROVISIONS OF THE CHILD PROTECTION AND OBSCENITY ENFORCEMENT ACT

    "WASHINGTON, D.C. - Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales signed a final rule implementing provisions of the Child Protection and Obscenity Enforcement Act, the Justice Department announced today. The rule requires producers of sexually explicit material to maintain records proving that performers in those depictions are not minors. It will be published in the Federal Register.

    Minors are incapable of consenting to perform in sexually explicit depictions and are often forced to engage in sexually explicit conduct. For these reasons, visual depictions of sexually explicit conduct that involve persons under the age of 18 constitute illegal child pornography. The record-keeping requirements, codified at 18 U.S.C. § 2257, are crucial to preventing children from being exploited by the production of pornography. Violations of the requirements are criminal offenses punishable by imprisonment for up to five years for a first offense and up to 10 years for subsequent offenses. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squirt
    I don't know why they lump all porn with C()*P. The statistics of cases brought before the court and the number that have been rejected, or cases lost is stagering.
    Because everyone knows that all pornographers are distributors of CP, just like all homos want to diddle young boys.

    Oh brother ... what a fucked up mess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dzinerbear
    Because everyone knows that all pornographers are distributors of CP, just like all homos want to diddle young boys.

    Oh brother ... what a fucked up mess.
    dzinerbear
    It's insane and SO obviously engineered that they would lump C*&P together with legitimate porn to demonize it. Controlling the masses by fear... the tactic sounds familiar.

    The sad thing is the number of people they put through the ringer.. only for them to be found innocent.. or end up not having official charges filed. It's really unfair to legitimate business people to have this kind of harassment. Is there a legal remedy for fraudulent prosecution/investigation?
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    Squirt - good work, and thank you!


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