2257 TRO Announcement?

[tombarr]

Do we have a live on the spot action reporter who will update us if and when a ruling is made on the TRO filed by FSC? The hearing is today...wonder if a ruling will be issued today....

Who is our on the scene reporter?

[Huskyhunks]

This is an except from an AVN article just released.

" A unnamed source who wished to be identified only as “one of the president’s men” told AVN.com that under a deal brokered by FSC attorneys, FSC members will be protected from inspection or enforcement of the recently revised 2257 regulations until after Free Speech Coalition et al v. Gonzales has gone to court and a decision has been rendered. That process that can take several months."

2257 deal

[Lee]

Sounds like the FSC just handed over a list of their members to the government :eek:

Those members will now become 'known targets' in the governments mind, good going FSC :thumbsup:

Regards,

Lee

[Huskyhunks]

I'm glad somebody is standing up for the rights of this industry. We are all targets and if a webmaster can't deal with it, then they should get out of the business.

[Lee]

if a webmaster can't deal with it, then they should get out of the business.

Agreed :thumbsup:

Online porn is no place for hobbyists.

Regards,

Lee

[chadknowslaw]

I do not know how any agreement could be made where the government would agree not to enforce a law against one group [SC members] but enforce the law against another group [non-FSC members]. Either I am way off on my understanding of Constitutional Equal Protection, or else someone is skewing the story to make it sound like the FSC is the only safe haven. If there is an agreement by the DOJ not to enforce the new regs, then in all probability, the DOJ will not enforce the new regs against ANYBODY, FSC member or not.

I also don't like the idea of the government having membership lists. The FBI used membership lists of "homosexual organizations" when they could get them to keep track of us "deviants". Fuck them. And tell those sons-a-bitches I want my dossier back.

Furthermore, I don't like the idea of the DOJ just "agreeing" to not enforce the new regulations--there is no guarantee they would stick to the "agreement". I would go ahead with the hearing and get the TRO as insurance. But then, the FSC never came to this cowboy lawyer for input.

[Slade]

I do not know how any agreement could be made where the government would agree not to enforce a law against one group [SC members] but enforce the law against another group [non-FSC members]. Either I am way off on my understanding of Constitutional Equal Protection, or else someone is skewing the story to make it sound like the FSC is the only safe haven. If there is an agreement by the DOJ not to enforce the new regs, then in all probability, the DOJ will not enforce the new regs against ANYBODY, FSC member or not.

I also don't like the idea of the government having membership lists. The FBI used membership lists of "homosexual organizations" when they could get them to keep track of us "deviants". Fuck them. And tell those sons-a-bitches I want my dossier back.

Furthermore, I don't like the idea of the DOJ just "agreeing" to not enforce the new regulations--there is no guarantee they would stick to the "agreement". I would go ahead with the hearing and get the TRO as insurance. But then, the FSC never came to this cowboy lawyer for input.

We need more people like yourself (someone with an actual legal background) posting these types of messages.

I have absolutely nothing against the FSC. God/Goddess bless them for their work. But if THEY or the DOJ claim that the *ONLY* ones exempt from the new regs IS the FSC, then that is pure hogwash.

As you had posted earlier, under OUR Constitution, there is EQUAL protection under the law. There is absolutely NO WAY you can selectively enforce these new regulations.

[Huskyhunks]

So much for my non legal background. I would say I told you so but that might be seen as gloating.

[hdkbill]

Sounds like the FSC just handed over a list of their members to the government :eek:

Those members will now become 'known targets' in the governments mind, good going FSC :thumbsup:

Regards,

Lee

None of know if the FSC has turned over it's list of members to the DoJ and to suggest anything different is pure speculation. But, if they did, my guess would be that it would be those webmasters, producers, etc., that are NOT on the list that would more likely be considered "known targets in the governments mind".

Lee, it's beginning to sound as if you have some sort of ax to grind with the FSC and that you are making this personal.

Bottom line.....don't worry, the regs will not be selectively enforced. If the FSC is successful the DoJ will not be enforcing the new regs until this works its way through the courts system. Some say that could be months, others say it could actually be years.

Bill

[basschick]

"DENVER - The Free Speech Coalition (FSC) announced today a stipulation between the parties in Free Speech Coalition et al v. Alberto Gonzales, under which the U.S. Department of Justice agrees that the regulations relating to the federal record-keeping and labeling law, 18 U.S.C. §2257, will not be enforced against plaintiffs and all FSC members until September 7, 2005.

The U.S. District Court in Denver will hold a preliminary injunction hearing on August 8, 2005, after which the judge will determine whether to issue a further injunction.

Specifically, the DOJ will not conduct any inspections or pursue any claims with regard to the plaintiffs and their members, but reserves the right to inspect and prosecute anyone who is not a plaintiff or FSC member.

According to the stipulation, agreed to and issued as an order of the Court today, the DOJ, will submit any entity it intends to inspect to a Special Master who will then check the entity’s name against a sealed and confidential FSC membership list. The Special Master will be appointed by the Court, with the consent of the parties, and will be under a specific obligation to maintain the confidentiality of the FSC membership list.

A master list of members will be submitted to the Special Master on Wednesday June 29, 2005, and will include all FSC members as of 2:00 p.m. PST, Saturday June 25, 2005.

At no time will the DOJ have direct access to the FSC membership list, which will remain under seal.

All FSC members should advise the FSC office of all of their dbas by Monday, June 27, 2005, so that the master list will be as complete as possible.

On behalf of the entire adult entertainment industry, the FSC acknowledges the bravery and integrity of our co-plaintiffs, New Beginnings and Dave Cummings. We trust that the industry appreciates their willingness to take on the fight for justice on behalf of all of us.

The FSC also expresses appreciation to our extraordinary legal team: H. Louis Sirkin, Paul Cambria, Art Schwartz, Jennifer Kingsley, Roger Wilcox, Michael Gross, Barry Covert and Michael Deal. Special acknowledgement also to Michael Murray, whose agreement with the DoJ in the Connections Magazine case in Cleveland, Ohio, laid the groundwork for this agreement.

Over the course of the next few months, there will be continuing proceedings, including discovery, that culminate with the August 8, 2005 preliminary injunction hearing. While we remain optimistic regarding our ultimate success in the litigation, the FSC encourages everyone to try to comply with the law to the extent that it is possible."

http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary...tent_ID=231539

[Lee]

None of know if the FSC has turned over it's list of members to the DoJ and to suggest anything different is pure speculation. But, if they did, my guess would be that it would be those webmasters, producers, etc., that are NOT on the list that would more likely be considered "known targets in the governments mind".

Lee, it's beginning to sound as if you have some sort of ax to grind with the FSC and that you are making this personal.

Bill

Bill,

That is exactly what they are going to be doing according to the agreement they have reached.

NON-FSC members can and will be investigated, the FSC is going to give a list of company names to an inspector.

Regards,

Lee

[Lee]

Specifically, the DOJ will not conduct any inspections or pursue any claims with regard to the plaintiffs and their members, but reserves the right to inspect and prosecute anyone who is not a plaintiff or FSC member.

They sold the 'industry' out in order to get more financial backing.

On behalf of the entire adult entertainment industry

No, they dont speak for me, personally and professionally, i feel what they have done is nothing more than line their own pockets at the expense of others, an organization that apparently fights FOR the industry should fight for the industry as a whole, not just a small group.

Im glad i was right about these scheisters all along, money talks people, money talks.

Regards,

Lee

[Slade]

So much for my non legal background. I would say I told you so but that might be seen as gloating.

That's why Gawd made forums..for people to gloat! ;-)

[Slade]

None of know if the FSC has turned over it's list of members to the DoJ and to suggest anything different is pure speculation. But, if they did, my guess would be that it would be those webmasters, producers, etc., that are NOT on the list that would more likely be considered "known targets in the governments mind".

Lee, it's beginning to sound as if you have some sort of ax to grind with the FSC and that you are making this personal.

Bottom line.....don't worry, the regs will not be selectively enforced. If the FSC is successful the DoJ will not be enforcing the new regs until this works its way through the courts system. Some say that could be months, others say it could actually be years.

Bill

Read and WEEP:
According to the stipulation, agreed to and issued as an order of the Court today, the DOJ, will submit any entity it intends to inspect to a Special Master who will then check the entity’s name against a sealed and confidential FSC membership list. The Special Master will be appointed by the Court, with the consent of the parties, and will be under a specific obligation to maintain the confidentiality of the FSC membership list.

A master list of members will be submitted to the Special Master on Wednesday June 29, 2005, and will include all FSC members as of 2:00 p.m. PST, Saturday June 25, 2005.

[Huskyhunks]

I'd rather be on the master list than a court docket anyday.