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    BDBionic
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    Lawsuit threat

    Here's an interesting one...

    There's a website upon which exists a bulletin board surfers can register themselves on and engage in discussions with one another about porn in.

    On this board, there was a thread (a few, in fact) about a particular porn star we shall call John Doe.

    Now, the individual known as John Doe (which is to say, the actor whose stage name is "John Doe") registered on the board in order to interact with his fans and talk to them and made several posts under the username with which he registered on the board: JohnDoe.

    Very soon thereafter, the owner of the video production company for which this model works under the alias "John Doe", and that we shall call His Video Company, sent an e-mail to the webmaster of this bulletin board threatening to sue for trademark and copyright infringement. The owner of the production company claims that his company has trademarked "John Doe" and therefore, without their permission, their model should not have been allowed to register under that name.

    As a gesture of kindness, the webmaster of the bulletin board edited the model's username on the board so that it reads "JohnD" - a name and term not trademarked by anyone and quite generic.

    The video company owner now says that regardless of any copyrighted terms no longer appearing in the thread and his own (probably former) model's username being changed, he can still sue for trademark and copyright infringement over any references made to "John Doe" or "His Video Company Name" in the bulletin board. That mere conversational reference and expression of opinion by bulletin board members in which the name of the model or name of the video company appear are trademark/copyright violations for which the bulletin board operator can be held liable.

    It was pointed out to the video company owner that without the bulletin board owners/operators having registered the name "JohnDoe" themselves - much less for actionable commercial use or commercial engagements - and with occurrences of the alleged trademarked phrases appearing as part of discussion and conversation in the bulletin board between 3rd party registrants, there is no grounds for legal action.

    In other words, say there's a discussion board on websiteA.com on which people are talking about Coca Cola and how they prefer Pepsi to Coke. Coke can not sue the bulletin board's owner for discussion about "Coke" even though "Coke" is a registered trademark and even though unflattering comments about "Coke" are being posted. Furthermore, just because someone registered with the username "CocaCola" or "CocaColaHater", Coke can not demand anything posted by that user constitutes a trademark/copyright infringement by the bulletin board owner.

    Further, that although it's possible for JohnDoe model to have violated terms of some contract between himself and His Video Company, that has nothing to do with the bulletin board or the bulletin board's owners/operators, much less could it be considered a trademark or copyright violation by them.

    What's your opinion on the matter?

    BTW - there is no solicitation of legal advice taking place here. Simply an effort to use this particular incident to initiate a discussion on it and see what others' opinions might be. If lawyers were in need of being consulted, they most certainly have already been


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    BDBionic
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    GoFuckYourself.com has a lot of stupid threads.



    ^^^ - GFY.com and its owners can not sue GWW over me, as a third party, having made reference to GFY in this thread and on this bulletin board in an editorial context, despite "GoFuckYourself" probably being a registered trademark of whomever.

    N'est pas?


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    i think it's bullshit as it's being used in the course of conversation, and not as a commercial thing. i'd love to hear what chad thinks about this.


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    You do realize by 'gay' I mean a man who has sex with other men?
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    Precident was set a year or so ago that protects a forum owner from legal action taken on behalf of stuff posted by a forum member, therefore, i would say, not being a 'legal sort' that would also be true for individuals registering usernames and posting on any such forum

    Ill see if i can dig out the case in question where this precedent was set shortly

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    Lee


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    Personally, it sounds like someone has too much time on his hands.


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    You do realize by 'gay' I mean a man who has sex with other men?
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    Yep i was right..

    Check the Communications Decency Act of 1996 under Section 230(c).

    `(1) Treatment of publisher or speaker: No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.
    Regards,

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    I think it's BS and this guy needs to get a life. They also need a business degree as it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out this model is out on his own time, promoting his name, and your production company... and all for free. :dunce:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Squirt
    I think it's BS and this guy needs to get a life. They also need a business degree as it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out this model is out on his own time, promoting his name, and your production company... and all for free. :dunce:
    Yeah but, if the board in question doesnt have any T.O.S in place other than the 'generic' T.O.S that comes with the software, that could potentially cause problems for them

    The CDA is very specific and, if after being notified by the company, they changed the name of the poster but, continued to mention the 'video company' they are open to potential legal action

    The problem is proving how quick they were to act once they received the initial notification, thats one of the reasons we react quickly when someone sends us a complaint, on the other hand, if no notification was actually made, then the video company will find themselves shit out of luck

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    The question is about editorial commentary.

    This is not a matter of copyrighted material - such as images or copy or other intellectual property. It's objection being made on the part of a trademark holder over use of a term that also happens to be trademarked.

    The context and manner in which the terms are used is what's at issue.

    The Bosley Medical trademark/copyright ruling by a federal court even sanctioned some pretty blatant use of a trademarked name.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BDBionic
    The question is about editorial commentary.

    This is not a matter of copyrighted material - such as images or copy or other intellectual property. It's objection being made on the part of a trademark holder over use of a term that also happens to be trademarked.

    The context and manner in which the terms are used is what's at issue.

    The Bosley Medical trademark/copyright ruling by a federal court even sanctioned some pretty blatant use of a trademarked name.
    Unless the board OWNER made any comments, registered the trademarked username or, directly did something they shouldnt have done, the TM owner cant do shit to the board owner, they can however, go after the poster of the comments and the username owner.

    Regards,

    Lee


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    That would be like trying to sue a notebook manufacturer over something someone wrote in a notebook. Makes no sense at all.


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    Sure don't make much sense. The model posted using the video company name, and the guy who owns that trademark is upset? Geez, so then we can't tell about our favorite video outfit if its trademarked? Weird stuff..I think that even if the commentary on his trademark was negative it would still generate the curious to check his outfit out, perhaps leading to sales.

    Seems odd :frown:
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    Common sense prevails in the end. The guy has to prove damages, of which he has none. If everything regarding this scenario is accurate, then the guy has no case, and no damages that need to be remedied, unless someone here can think of any? :toff:


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    Surely you can't blame the copyright owner for trying. As we all know, message boards are huge, huge revenue drivers with massive profits. Board owners like Lee are totally loaded, so the copyright holder would have lots to gain from a settlement.

    But enough about Andromedan laws. On Earth, the copyright owner couldn't do shit unless there's stuff we don't know about. The drama queen copyright holder would just need to learn to pick her battles more carefully.


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    Update - in checking with the US Trademarks and Patent office (the US being where His Video Company is based), the terms he claims are registered trademarks are in fact NOT registered trademarks.

    No application has ever been submitted for "JohnDoe" and an application submitted for "His Video Company" that was submitted several years ago was subsequently abandoned and never approved by the trademark office.


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