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    What a Novel idea!

    As of lately, when i'm not working on my music, I've been working on a gay SF novel. I was just wondering, do you guys think there is a market for that? I know Christopher Rice has done well with his gay mystery and horror novels, but he also has a built in name. Believe me, I'm not saying I match his talent, and I'm also in a different, more harshly judged and nitpicked genre.

    It's about a young guy named Halo who falls for an older mega-rich business mogul who happens to own an interstellar spaceship. The mogul convinces him to check out a somewhat local uninhabited Class G (Earth-like heh) planet with him, and surprise they end up stranded on it.

    I'm really enjoying writing it, so it dosn't matter to me if it's successful, but I'm still curious. My absolute favorite part of the story so far is Halo's interactions with the ship's resident AI, who has inherited the mogul's love for Judy Garland and is prone to breaking out in holodrag at any given moment.

    I know it sounds awful, but do you guys think there is a market for gay SF?


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    Absolutely! This generation grew up teething on the likes of Star Trek, Battlestar Gallactica, Stargate SG1 and many others of the same genre. Plus a LOT of the xbox and computer games are based on sci-fi and fantasy, so there's a lot of exposure and enjoyment from them.

    I'll be very interested to see how this progresses for you.


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    Absolutely - but I'll read anything SF : )

    And the AI-theme is an important topic too
    - won't be long till we all have to socialize with artificial "personalities"

    Any chance of a peek ?


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    And really, how much gay sci-fi is there out there? I mean, gay sci-fi fans have had to make due for years reading about swashbuckling male heros saving the damsel in destress. How about some male on male humping robots? How about a hot Daddy saving a slaveboy from nasty aliens (only to keep him as his own, hee hee). How about Luke Skywalker saving Han Solo and leaving Princess Lea with Jabba the Hut in her little sparkling harem outfit. I'm all behind you on this little venture. I say go for it!
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    There is ALWAYS a market for gay sci-fi stuff, buddy, and if you're interested, I can put you in touch with a couple executive editors at the gay publishing houses that have published and/or considered my books.

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    I think you have a great start on your new market with just us GWWers alone!

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    Absolutely! This generation grew up teething on the likes of Star Trek, Battlestar Gallactica, Stargate SG1 and many others of the same genre. Plus a LOT of the xbox and computer games are based on sci-fi and fantasy, so there's a lot of exposure and enjoyment from them.
    I'm still a novice writer, so I can't compete with those at all. I don't know if a market in an underdeveloped niche would be more forgiving, but I doubt it. Acclaimed success or not though, that is what I'm going after, creating something people can enjoy. Even if only a few people read it and like it, that would make it worthwhile to me. I do love shows like those, but I'm not necessarily a huge SF fan; I hope people who are really into the genre don't pick apart the novel and laugh at it. Maybe I can talk you into giving it a read when it's done?

    Any chance of a peek ?
    Once I've cleaned up the first chapter I can post it, but I'm already overstepping it even posting about this here. Lee has been great about humoring me though and letting me go way off topic, we'll see. And thanks for that Lee! I feel really at home in this forum, so it's where I always just naturally head when I'm excited about something.

    And really, how much gay sci-fi is there out there? I mean, gay sci-fi fans have had to make due for years reading about swashbuckling male heros saving the damsel in destress. How about some male on male humping robots? How about a hot Daddy saving a slaveboy from nasty aliens (only to keep him as his own, hee hee). How about Luke Skywalker saving Han Solo and leaving Princess Lea with Jabba the Hut in her little sparkling harem outfit. I'm all behind you on this little venture. I say go for it!
    Well there are The Lambda (sic?) awards for gay sf, it's out there just not very mainstream. As far as nasty aliens, this is a pre-contact novel so there will be none of that. But Halo ordered a black market adult upgrade for his BAIB (a 13" tall extremely expensive cyborg toy) that makes it curse like a sailor and play with it's life-like boy parts in public. I'm trying not to think about what nasty places I could take that part of the story heh :p Thanks for the encouragement!

    There is ALWAYS a market for gay sci-fi stuff, buddy, and if you're interested, I can put you in touch with a couple executive editors at the gay publishing houses that have published and/or considered my books.
    You're gonna get me all giddy and worked up with daydreams and what-ifs. Obviously the thrill of being a published author is a huge reward, I would love the shot and I'll definately take you up on that when I'm done, huge thanks!

    I think you have a great start on your new market with just us GWWers alone!
    It's been proven over and over that this group is the nicest and most helpful in the industry, and the above are some of the nicest. They'd probably be supportive if I said I was going to try to market dancing shoes for dogs :p It makes me feel great though, I'm known for having an overly full back burner, so people surprise me. This can't go that route though, luckily writing is as free as it gets.

    I've been second guessing the shit out of my music lately too, I need to get Vol 2 up now, it's late. I hate that I'm making myself look flakey with it, it's not a build and forget project. It's just going to take a few volumes to properly judge time frames I guess. I don't see how most of you do it! You all have so many projects and most of you are perfectionists, I envy the amount of dedication and talent shown by members of this forum.


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    Dancing shoes for dogs??? OMG, what a great idea!!! :$$$:

    LOL! Okay, okay, I'm just kidding. But seriously, it seems to me that you always put your stuff down. That's no way to promote yourself. If you are actually writing music or stories, then you are doing much better than the people who sit around and say they are going to do it but never do. You are not setting out to make a bad story or crappy music are you? No. You are setting out to do the best job you can. We are always our own worst critics, but you should never present your work to someone and say "here it is, it's not very good". You music was good and you show by your posts that you know grammar well and can get your meaning across, so you're way ahead of some writers who's stuff I've read. LOL! Don't second guess yourself, take pride in what you do. Have a good attitude about it and you will start off doing well and you will keep improving.

    Just a few words of advice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WWC-DonMike
    Dancing shoes for dogs??? OMG, what a great idea!!! :$$$:

    LOL! Okay, okay, I'm just kidding. But seriously, it seems to me that you always put your stuff down. That's no way to promote yourself. If you are actually writing music or stories, then you are doing much better than the people who sit around and say they are going to do it but never do. You are not setting out to make a bad story or crappy music are you? No. You are setting out to do the best job you can. We are always our own worst critics, but you should never present your work to someone and say "here it is, it's not very good". You music was good and you show by your posts that you know grammar well and can get your meaning across, so you're way ahead of some writers who's stuff I've read. LOL! Don't second guess yourself, take pride in what you do. Have a good attitude about it and you will start off doing well and you will keep improving.

    Just a few words of advice.

    Hear! Hear! I absoltuely ABHOR and DETEST self-flagellation! If you are a writer, then proudly state, "I am a writer, and here is my work. It was the best I could do." That's all you need to say. Then you stand up and take your criticisms as a man when they all start throwing tomatoes at you! LOL!
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXXWriterDude
    Hear! Hear! I absoltuely ABHOR and DETEST self-flagellation! If you are a writer, then proudly state, "I am a writer, and here is my work. It was the best I could do." That's all you need to say. Then you stand up and take your criticisms as a man when they all start throwing tomatoes at you! LOL!

    Mmmm, tomatoes. :goofy:
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    Hey dude, don't sell yourself short. I'm an amatuer writer too and I just keep myself in check by having a very open editor. She always gives me her opinion about my work in a very honest fashion. Helps that she's my mom but still! Find yourself a good editor or someone that can proof your work with constructive criticism.

    Hurrah for fellow amatuer writers! :gossip:


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    if you're embarrassed to say "i'm a writer", why not just tell people "i am writing a book"? you can skip all comments about whether it sucks. people who read it will know if they like it or not - they don't need you to give them a nudge in the "not liking" direction".


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    I'm not selling myself short, just being realistic. I think I have a lot of talent, it's just underdeveloped and I'm not well educated. I am pretty bad at grammar, story and even sentence structure, and most of all dialogue. This all translates into a well meant, possibly enjoyable, but badly executed first attempt at a novel.

    My project is all about practice, what I'm saying is someday I would like to be a good writer. Knowing I have a lot of work to do is definately not a bad thing. If I surprise myself and it's something that could be published and enjoyed, I'll eat my words.

    I'm a writer, and here is my homework!


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    OK here is a little example, from the first chapter. Feel free to tear it apart and offer advice! Halo has just finished setting up his BAIB (Biologic Aritificially Intelligent Bot) and is taking a shower to get ready for his birthday celebration at The Grid, a floating, spherical, transparent nightclub in downtown Saint Louis:

    Halo leaned out of the shower and reached around into the shelf beside the stall, fishing for a La Face pad. A large puddle of water was forming on the floor, and he reminded himself to be careful getting out. The electric blue and steel bathroom was the most recently remodeled room in the apartment, and he loved it. It reminded him of a classic science fiction movie set, like 2001. The entire inner wall was one huge self-cleaning mirror, by far Din’s favorite feature of the place. He was known to easily spend an hour or more in front of it, carefully examining the progress he’d been making at the gravity gym down the street. Where are my fucking face pads? Halo wondered, feeling his way further into the shelf.
    Noah had on his UGO skates and was zipping back and forth across the bathroom, making quick turns and jumping over Halo’s underwear like a pro. He was nearly flying, going much faster than Halo ever dared to on his own skates. Either the BAIB was a lot tougher than he’d imagined, or was completely fearless. His hand finally made contact with the pads. He peeled one off and went to exfoliating his face.
    “So Noah, how do you like the place?” he shouted over the hiss of the showers three heads.
    “I don’t know, I’ve never been there.” Noah answered from the other side of the room.
    “What do you mean? You are here right now!” Halo tried not to sound annoyed. Noah’s AI obviously needed some tweaking.
    “This place? I thought you meant The Place, the restaurant in Manhattan. You should be more specific.” He was back over in front of the shower.
    “OK, sorry I get it. You didn’t answer the question though.” Halo opened the shower door slightly and watched him sit down next to the water puddle on the floor.
    “It’s nice. Plenty of space for a guy like me. My records show another occupant at this residency, Din Fremont. Where is he?” He stuck a finger in the puddle and tasted it.
    “He’ll be home in a little bit. We’re going out. Why would you have that in your records, and how did you know the address here?” Halo asked.
    “I have built-in address and telepanel listings for the entire country I was manufactured to be sold in. It’s standard, haven’t you researched BAIB’s at all? And I read your address off of a pile of mail in your room. Don’t underestimate me Halo, please. I’m the best and brightest of the AI’s. I already know a lot about you.”
    “Well I am definitely impressed. Why are you being sold as a children’s toy though? It seems like there would be a million applications for your abilities.”
    “Market tests showed that I would be most profitable in the high end toy market. Children love AI. Most adults are uncomfortable with it, even disturbed by it. Never the less, they are still willing to buy it for their children. The wealthy always want the best toys and learning tools for their kids that their money can buy. Especially if the kid next door doesn’t have it.” He stood back up and went back to skating laps, more slowly this time. Noah pulled the shower door closed, wondering why a commercial product would be discussing markets, and in essence putting down it’s own target market. Then he remembered the adult mod he’d added to its software. He thought of something else and opened the door yet again.
    “Noah, do you have..um…boy parts? I mean, a penis?” He felt himself blush and felt stupid, being embarrassed to talk about dick with an AI. Noah giggled and stopped skating, this time next to the door.
    “You mean you didn’t look before you turned me on? No pun intended!” he laughed again, and Halo felt his blush deepen. “Yes, I have a cock. A big one! I mean, for my size. Remember, I’m a learning tool. A tool with a tool ha!” He whipped it out and shook it at Halo, wearing a big cheesy grin. Halo couldn’t help but look. It was big, almost out of proportion with the rest of him.
    “Now let’s see yours!” Noah demanded. Halo shut the shower door again, embarrassed and annoyed at the abrasive personality traits he had given to the BAIB. He heard Noah laughing and saw through the frosted glass that he had gone back to skating laps across the floor. “So you’re shy huh? That’s OK I saw it when you were getting in. Nice!”


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    Quote Originally Posted by SLS
    I am pretty bad at grammar, story and even sentence structure, and most of all dialogue.
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