story site shut down by fbi obscenity squad!

[basschick]

sorry for reposting another board, but i think this is very important:

Red Rose Stories Closed by FBI
By Jayson Romaine
Friday, October 7, 2005

PITTSBURGH — Online erotic stories host Red Rose Stories announced on its site Friday that the FBI had forced it to shut down.
According to a posting on the site’s main page, Red Rose Stories is facing obscenity charges for posting stories that allegedly involved bestiality, water sports, scat, bondage and domination, S&M, slavery, threesomes, orgies and sex with children.

According to Rosie, who runs the site, such topics have opened the door to her prosecution.

“Trust me on this. I found out the hard way. I never thought I'd be in trouble for the written word," Rosie told XBiz via email. “I had no pictures of a sexual nature on my site, adult or otherwise. [It seems] the only legal sex stories are those that involve a man and a woman consenting to missionary position sex in a dark room.”

Rosie said officials came to her house when she was not home and seized a number of items.

The men in black took all of my computer equipment and many of my diskettes, and have access to all my files and site information,” she wrote. “I am sorry to inform all interested parties that Red Rose Stories is a dead site.”

Rosie said that chat services on the site, as well as some parts to its forum, would remain open, and suggested subscribers contact the Pittsburgh FBI office if they “want to ask the feds for a refund.”

As of this writing, calls by XBiz to the office were not returned.

News of the site’s closure comes just days after the offices of Max Hardcore’s Max World Entertainment were raided under the authority of the Child Exploitation and Obscenity Section of the Justice Department, and little more than a week after the FBI launched an anti-obscenity squad at the behest of Attorney General Alberto Gonzales to increase obscenity prosecutions throughout the country.


http://xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=10680

[Lee]

Red Rose Stories is facing obscenity charges for posting stories that allegedly involved bestiality, water sports, scat, bondage and domination, S&M, slavery, threesomes, orgies and sex with children.

Are we supposed to feel sorry for them? Because i dont.

Looks like one of those in the indusry promoting such things as beasty and cp has just left thanks to the FBI :thumbsup:

This 'cleanup' of the industry of people who push the limits cant happen soon enough for my bank accounts liking

Regards,

Lee

[Lee]

Courtesy of a poster on GFY..

3rd link on the page.

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Re...n&lr=&filter=0

As i say, i have no sympathy for them whatsoever, its just a shame the death penalty isnt available for obscenity crimes in instances like this.

Regards,

Lee

[IntenseCash.com]

Courtesy of a poster on GFY..

3rd link on the page.

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Re...n&lr=&filter=0

As i say, i have no sympathy for them whatsoever, its just a shame the death penalty isnt available for obscenity crimes in instances like this.

Regards,

Lee

OMG Unbelieveable I just read part of it......

When Tammy turned 1 yr old, I bought a surprise for her. She lay on
the changing table, her little legs parted XXXX XXXXX XXXX XXXXX.

I am glad they got shut down that is disgusting.

[MisterMark]

Courtesy of a poster on GFY..

3rd link on the page.

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Re...n&lr=&filter=0

As i say, i have no sympathy for them whatsoever, its just a shame the death penalty isnt available for obscenity crimes in instances like this.

Regards,

Lee

Let me get this straight. You would like to see the death penalty for a webmaster who has written words about underage sex on her site?

[Lee]

Let me get this straight. You would like to see the death penalty for a webmaster who has written words about underage sex on her site?

Absolutely.

Not just for written words, ANYTHING that promotes CP either actual or fantasy.

There is no place in society for people that get off on having sex with little children, they are the scum of the earth in my eyes. There's a lot i wont take a solid stance on, CP however, is one thing *I* feel extremely strongly about.

Regards,

Lee

[MisterMark]

Absolutely.

Not just for written words, ANYTHING that promotes CP either actual or fantasy.

There is no place in society for people that get off on having sex with little children, they are the scum of the earth in my eyes. There's a lot i wont take a solid stance on, CP however, is one thing *I* feel extremely strongly about.

Regards,

Lee

You have a right to feel strongly about it, but your irrational and extreme responses to many of the topics discussed on this board are startling, to say the least.

One would think that someone involved in adult entertainment, as you are, would have a little more respect for freedom of speech. There's an enormous difference between writing about a fantasy and actually acting upon it. Your desire to kill anyone who dares to write about underage sex is outrageous, in my opinion. Honestly, you'd fit in well with the old regimes of the Middle Eastern countries.

What if an adult male masturbated while thinking about having sex with a 17-year old, and then told his buddy about his fantasy? Would you advocate the death penalty as punishment for his masturbatory thoughts?

[Lee]

One would think that someone involved in adult entertainment, as you are, would have a little more respect for freedom of speech. There's an enormous difference between writing about a fantasy and actually acting upon it.

What place in adult entertainment does CP have? Please explain that to me, im constantly seeing this bought up as a defense for child pornographers and, the reality of it is, the ault entertainment industry has no place whatsoever for child pornography not in fantasy and certainly not in reality.

Your desire to kill anyone who dares to write about underage sex is outrageous, in my opinion. Honestly, you'd fit in well with the old regimes of the Middle Eastern countries.

This isnt underage sex we are talking about, we are talking about child pornography, there is a HUGE difference between the two.

Underage sex can happen when two people, one aged 18 and one aged 17 have sex, this isnt child pornography, child pornography is something completely different, especially in this instance, lets not compare apples to oranges, lets compare them to apples.

Im sure even you would agree there is a massive difference between 2 consenting individuals having sex and an adult forcing themselves on a 1yr old child physically and mentally or even fantasizing about it.

Also, let us not forget, the site in question appears to have been doing more than JUST writing about child porn, they appear to have been encouraging individuals to share child porn photos through their chat room.

Again, apples to apples.

Regards,

Lee

[MisterMark]

I honestly don't want to get into a huge debate over this, Lee, but I think you should talk with a First Amendment attorney someday to help sort out your thoughts.

I'm just glad that you're not a judge (or an attorney).

[Lee]

I honestly don't want to get into a huge debate over this, Lee, but I think you should talk with a First Amendment attorney someday to help sort out your thoughts.

I'm just glad that you're not a judge (or an attorney).

Lets not forget, its the first amendment attorneys that got us in to this mess to begin with.

Because of them, it appears that the adult industry supports child porn when it doesnt, id say that less than 1% of the industry overall, has anything to do with illegal child porn but, the FSC went to bat for that 1% and won, in the industries name, not theirs.

But thats a different topic altogether LOL

Regards,

Lee

[MisterMark]

Very odd. We know you don't like the FSC, and now you essentially proclaim that First Amendment attorneys are bad for the adult entertainment industry.

[Lee]

Very odd. We know you don't like the FSC, and now you essentially proclaim that First Amendment attorneys are bad for the adult entertainment industry.

As i say, thats a completely different topic but, to whet your appetite, do some research on the CPPA act that got thrown out several years ago, it would have made ALL depictions of child porn illegal if it had been passed.

I just dont understand how anyone can defend idividuals that graphically write about molesting 1yr olds.

Regards,

Lee

[basschick]

i don't know enough about the law to know for sure whether a story of this type is constitutionally protected.

but i DO know that the miller test has been around for a loooong time, and at a certain point, if you aren't working on a message story meant to be art, you'd be a fool to publish a story like this online because it won't pass the miller test pretty much anywhere.

i don't agree this person should be killed. on the other hand, if the writer is kicking this stuff out just to titillate and make money, that's not good for anyone. ask any recently recovering alcoholic if words have power - many ex drug addicts i knew through my friends' NA meetings can be triggered just by talking about drugs to them.

[Lee]

but i DO know that the miller test has been around for a loooong time, and at a certain point, if you aren't working on a message story meant to be art, you'd be a fool to publish a story like this online because it won't pass the miller test pretty much anywhere.

Agreed.

I mentioned in an article a year or so ago that as webmasters, we should be using The Miller Test to see whether or not our sites content would stand up to it and, whilst the test itself does have a few flaws, it is still the best method webmasters can use to judge whether content on their sites can be classified as 'obscene' in THEIR community.

If anyone is wondering, you can find the article on The Miller Test here:

http://forums.gaywidewebmasters.com/...ead.php?t=1981

I would highly recommend that those of you unfamiliar with this test get aquainted with it, afterall, if you do end up in court this is what the Judge will use to decide whether or not you are publishing obscene materials.

Regards,

Lee

[MisterMark]

Wouldn't you agree that the idea behind most adult entertainment is to appeal to "prurient interests"?

And how would you define "community standards" on the internet? The Miller Test was written with adult movie theaters in mind, before anyone even had a VCR, let alone the internet.