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    Spam Porn To Children As Much As You Want...

    Its constitutionally protected under free speech :thumbsup:

    PARK CITY, Utah - The head of the company contracted by both Utah and Michigan to scrub marketing email lists for addresses that have registered with the states’ “do-not-email” programs says the adult entertainment industry is fighting to keep its grip on an effective delivery system for cyber-porn. That’s the reason the Free Speech Coalition filed suit against Utah’s Child Protection Registry Act, he says, and he doesn’t expect the FSC’s arguments to hold up in court.

    “The argument that this law is somehow infringing on the free speech rights of legitimate email marketers is absurd,” says Matthew Prince, chief executive of Unspam. “This is a reasonable effort to protect minors from materials society has always deemed harmful to kids. The senders are not barred from sending their emails to adults—just those addresses registered as accessible to children.”

    Prince continues, “Online pornography is a billion-dollar-per-year industry, and email is becoming the delivery system of choice for porn purveyors. One of the porn industry’s major marketing tools for making that enormous profit is email, and many of the emails they send are hitting the in-boxes of children and teens.”

    Utah’s Child Protection Registry Act went into effect July 15. Its alleged purpose is to protect minors from receiving email messages that promote products or services they’re too young to purchase or contain material that is “harmful to minors” as defined by Utah law. The law allows parents and others to register in a central database any email addresses that belong to or can be accessed by minors, and mass-email lists must be scrubbed against addresses in that database at a cost of 5 cents per address. Marketers who send messages to email addresses that have been on the list for more than 30 days face criminal, administrative, and civil penalties, including fines and jail time for each infraction.

    In November, the FSC, the trade association for the adult industry, challenged the law in federal district court. According to the complaint, the so-called “do-not-email” law conflicts with the federal CAN-SPAM Act, violates portions of the commerce clause of the U.S. Constitution, and poses serious threats to constitutionally guaranteed speech.
    “The law…is similar to the [federal] do-not-call list,” explains Prince. “Parents simply log on to a website run by the state in order to register the emails they wish protected. The service is completely free for parents and schools seeking protection, and companies that send adult-oriented emails are required by law to delete all registered addresses from their mailing lists.”

    He notes that since the law went into effect, thousands of parents and scores of public and private schools have registered email addresses and entire domains they wish to be protected.

    It is his contention that the FSC’s arguments are not likely to hold up in court. He predicts the court ultimately will rule in favor of parents protecting their children through Utah’s registry law.

    “It’s clear that at the heart of the Utah lawsuit is an unwillingness on the part of the adult entertainment industry to take reasonable measures to keep pornographic emails from reaching children,” said Prince. “We feel confident the court will agree.”

    So, apparently, does Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff, who on Dec. 7 filed a motion to dismiss the FSC’s suit.

    FSC Communications Director Tom Hymes thinks perhaps Prince “doth protest too much.”

    “He stands to make a lot of money off [the registry],” Hymes says. “Who is he to point fingers at [the adult industry]?”

    Saying that Prince’s position is just “scare mongering” that is based on unsubstantiated statistics and emotional arguments, Hymes points out that the adult industry isn’t the only group guilty of vigorous commercial email marketing. Prince completely ignores that other industries are just as concerned about and directly impacted by Utah’s registry law, Hymes says. As broadly as the law is written, he notes, all sorts of email senders could become victims of the penalties the law prescribes.

    “Pure political speech about issues like abortion can be caught up in this,” he warns. “It’s not far-fetched to think enemies might use it against each other.”

    He continues, “[The FSC does] not support people who send illegal spam. We oppose the registry because it’s faulty.

    “Frankly, I’m surprised [registry supporters] haven’t come up with a more convincing argument” than that the adult industry is composed of unrepentant spammers who will do anything to make a buck, Hymes says. “This one is offensive.”

    Michigan’s similar registry act remains unimplemented due to legislative reconsideration. According to FSC board member and attorney Reed Lee, the FSC also will file suit in Michigan if and when that state puts its law into use.
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    Im not quite seeing how its a free speech issue myself, i guess one of the FSC's high rollers sends a lot of UBE, thats the only reason i can think of why they got involved with this and not the do-not-call list.

    Let us also not forget that fighting these laws protecting children from being sent pornographic materials costs the FSC money so, get ready to donate to the cause of free speech.... Yet again :thumbsup:

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    Well I think it is very important that kids dont get exposed to porno!!...It isnt needed and I will totally donate money to this cause.. I know I had children .. I wouldnt want them worrying about getting off!! I would want them doing kid stuff like doing there homework and being safe and happy children playing football and going to prom!

    NOT GOING TO SOME PNP PARTY OR HAVING SEX AND GETTING PREGNANT BEFORE THERE LIFE HAS EVEN STARTED OR CAREERS FOR THAT MATTER!

    So this is a good thing I think.. Porno isnt for children!


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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyTaylor
    Well I think it is very important that kids dont get exposed to porno!!...It isnt needed and I will totally donate money to this cause.. I know I had children .. I wouldnt want them worrying about getting off!! I would want them doing kid stuff like doing there homework and being safe and happy children playing football and going to prom!

    NOT GOING TO SOME PNP PARTY OR HAVING SEX AND GETTING PREGNANT BEFORE THERE LIFE HAS EVEN STARTED OR CAREERS FOR THAT MATTER!

    So this is a good thing I think.. Porno isnt for children!
    Um no..

    The FSC WANT to allow children to GET porn, not stop receiving it.

    You may want to re-read the article

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    Ooopps IM AN IDIOT!!

    Well that is what I get for being tired!! My bad .. sorry hahah

    But I still feel the same way I do about it and I guess what I mean to say is I dont support children getting porn at all!!

    Is aweful and ridiculous and I dont know why they would think it is ok for children to get porn hahaa or how that is even going to fly with our SUPER CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN GOVERNMENT But that is just my opinion!!

    Sorry for the mis - read Im a dork sometimes but my stance of course is still the same :signhere:


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    You both misunderstood.

    Lee, the FSC does not want children to get porn in their email. I usually don't have much good to say about that organization, but there are very good sound legal reasons to challenge the Utah law.

    First, this is a state law that seeks to regulate an industry that doesn't work within state lines. Success of the Utah law could mean a patchwork of 50 different sets of laws for web-based businesses to comply with, so this one needs to be overturned so that more states don't get brilliant ideas to impose regulations and create their own lists.

    Second, the 1st Amendment argument is the strongest argument against the law, so of course it will be used.

    Third, the US Federal CAN SPAM Act already regulates Spam, and a state law cannot stand where federal law supercedes.

    Fourth, this imposes a financial burden on legal spam that is just a fascade for keeping legal adult entertainment out of the hands of consenting adults. Please note that anyone who sends bulk emails needs to PAY for the list of "don't spam me" addresses, and pay for it 12 times a year.

    So, if I plan to send out bulk mails advertising my Hot Sex with Lactating Mormon Great-Grandmothers (dot com), due to the global nature of the internet I better get that list or risk being prosecuted, even though I only wanted to send my mail to a list of email addresses gathered from double-opt-in visitors to my other website, Grizzled Old Men Watching Lawrence Welk (dot com) because 4 months ago some 16 year-old with a wrinkle fetish signed on my site up for adult-oriented emails after swearing to god and everybody else that he was 18 (I paid $395 for an Adult Verification program that made him SWEAR he was 18!!! ) and this month his mother added his email address (without him knowing it) to the Don't Spam Me list.


    THAT is supposed to make me a criminal? And I should go to JAIL?

    No fucking way.



    Please, whoever kidnapped Lee and made Jerry Falwell ghost write for him, I want Lee back.

    Kelly---
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    HAHAHA I should have just shut up! LOL I should never post when Im tired it is Ridiculous........ hahahah LOL but doesnt change how I feel LOL...

    And chad of course I dont want you to go to jail... Cause then you would end up being a bottom hahaha for some guy in jail and I wouldnt get my legal services * Quote* Un * Quote* that I get from you anymore LOL *Winks*


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    Interesting, but is advertising really free speech?

    I mean lets face it, all spam is a sales pitch for something, whether its an adult site or a new ipod or such. So if you assume that spam is protected under free speech, why then is advertising regulated? Would not any regulation on advertising, whether it be in print, radio, or television be a violation of the same constitutional amendment?

    Just curious btw, as I stay out of political type discussions...:coffee:
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    It is just one amendment, but the interpretation kind of goes like this:

    The most protected speech is speech about politics and religion

    Then all other personal expression

    Next, Commercial Speech [advertising] gets less protection than personal speech [that means the goverment can regulate advertising a lot more than they can regulate the editorial page of the newspaper)

    And then there is expression that right-wing do-gooders find objectionable. Porn, exotic dancing, and other damn fun ways to communicate. This gets the least protection from government regulation.

    And finally, obscenity, which has no protection and can just be banned outright.

    So, advertising does have some First Amendment rights, but not as much as political stumping in the courthouse lawn.

    I hope that makes sense.
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    Thanks Chad, I guess it does make sense for a legal beagle... I just don't quite understand how any type of speech can have less or more protection I suppose. I mean i suppose its also about how one defines speech under the constitution.
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    They say justice is blind, and I agree... her vision was lost as a result of her having to read and reread (and so on) text which was anything but straight forward! :devil:


    Chad - thank you for unscrambling the letters.

    (Sorry for the bad joke. My excuse is I had either too much, or not enough eggnogg.)


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    Quote Originally Posted by chadknowslaw
    but there are very good sound legal reasons to challenge the Utah law.
    AMEN! Back in September my mailing list provider wanted me to ante up some extroirdinary monthly fee in order to continue sending out my computer/internet tips and gay dating newsletters -- All due to this damn Utah law and the Michigan law.

    I said no thanks -- I'll find another way to do business.

    Fortunately there is a happy ending in my case...Since dumping my newsletters I get just as much traffic to those two sites, I have more time to dedicate to the important stuff and I make more money from those two sites -- oh yes and my health is much better.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paco

    (Sorry for the bad joke. My excuse is I had either too much, or not enough eggnogg.)
    Paco had a bad joke???? I think that was possible!!! My god I always laugh at everything you put.. Of course when your not being as serious....
    ( THE TWINK JOKE GOT ME FOR SURE ) LOL I mean I say things like on this thread and felt really dumb but I guess It was bound and determined to happen!


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