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    Why did 'Brokeback' lose?

    The Oscars opened the closet door to gay-themed films but shut it almost as quickly.

    "Brokeback Mountain," the much-ballyhooed favorite about two gay cowboys, won best director for Ang Lee on Sunday but stunningly lost the best picture prize to race drama "Crash." Additionally Philip Seymour Hoffman won best actor for playing gay novelist Truman Capote in "Capote."

    The victory for "Crash" suggested Oscar voters were more comfortable with a tale that exploited the seamy underbelly of racial conflict in contemporary Los Angeles than with a heartbreaking tale of love between two married men.

    "Perhaps the truth really is, Americans don't want cowboys to be gay," said Larry McMurtry, 69, who shared an Oscar for best adapted screenplay with Diana Ossana for "Brokeback."

    No overtly gay love story has ever won a best picture award and, as of Monday morning, none has. The big question going into the Oscars was whether Hollywood, often in the forefront of social issues, would break another taboo.

    "Film buffs and the politically minded will be arguing this morning about whether the Best Picture Oscar to 'Crash' was really for the film's merit or just a cop-out by the Motion Picture Academy so it wouldn't have to give the prize to 'Brokeback Mountain,"' said Washington Post critic Tom Shales.

    Los Angeles Times critic Kenneth Turan saw "Brokeback's" failure as a sign that Hollywood was not yet ready to grant the topic of homosexual love mainstream respectability.

    "Despite all the magazine covers it graced, despite all the red-state theaters it made good money in, despite (or maybe because of) all the jokes late-night talk show hosts made about it, you could not take the pulse of the industry without realizing that 'Brokeback Mountain' made a number of people distinctly uncomfortable," he said, adding:

    "So for people who were discomfited by 'Brokeback Mountain' but wanted to be able to look themselves in the mirror and feel like they were good, productive liberals, 'Crash' provided the perfect safe harbor."

    BROKEBACK, CRASH WIN 3

    "Brokeback" led the field with eight nominations and ended up with three prizes, also winning for original score.

    Hoffman won for playing Truman Capote in "Capote," a story of the archly gay writer going to Kansas to report on the murder of a family of four for his classic book "In Cold Blood." Hollywood sweetheart Reese Witherspoon won best actress for her performance as country singer June Carter in the Johnny Cash biographical film, "Walk the Line."

    "Crash," which covers a 36-hour period in Los Angeles as the lives of people of many races collide in a way that highlights bigotry, was a close second to "Brokeback" in Oscar handicapping. "Crash" writer/director Paul Haggis said he was "shocked, shocked" with the victory. It also won three prizes.

    "We're still trying to figure out if we got this," he said, clutching his golden trophy in his hand. "None of us expected it. You hope, but we had a tiny picture ... this was a year when Hollywood rewarded rule breakers."

    Following the plots of many of its message-themed movies, Oscar took a decidedly political tone with winners noting causes, and freshman show host Jon Stewart making wisecracks.

    Stewart's performance seemed to divide the TV critics.

    "It's hard to believe that professional entertainers could have put together a show less entertaining than this year's Oscars, hosted with a smug humorlessness by comic Jon Stewart, a sad and pale shadow of great hosts gone by," said the Post's Shales.

    "Brokeback Mountain" was released by Focus Features, a unit of NBC Universal, which is controlled by General Electric Co. "Capote" was released by Sony Pictures, a unit of Sony


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    Brokeback lost? :eek:

    Id say 3 Oscars was a win myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee
    Brokeback lost? :eek:

    Id say 3 Oscars was a win myself.

    Regards,

    Lee

    Yeah they won.. but I just thought people would want to see what other people had to say! I didnt write this.. IM VERY HAPPY THAT THEY WON AND 3 OSCARS IS AMAZING! Im alittle pissed it didnt win "Best Picture" but oh well.... anyways..

    Once again just sharing :sun:


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    After that abysmal rap "song" won, it's not like those Oscars are really worth anything, anyway.
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    I think Hollywood has a way to go before giving best picture to a gay film...although I hear that there is a Harvey Milk story coming from everyone's favorite gay director Bryan Singer.... :thumbsup:

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    Look on the bright side...

    At least they gave the first Oscar of the night to a gay actor for the Best Performance in a Supporting Role - George Clooney!

    I mean...there CAN'T BE ANYONE ON THIS PLANET who still thinks that man is STRAIGHT! PLEASE!

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    Obviously, there was an issue about the film's content. I see Brokeback's Best Picture loss as a snub, especially since Ang Lee was awarded best director. I simply can't see how you can say a director of a film was the best director, then say the film he directed wasn't worthy of the award. That's Hollywood for ya. They choose a really good cross-section of movies that represent diversity, then they go and give the awards to the big players (Reese, Clooney).

    Jasun, the "Pimp" song actually sounded MUCH better in the movie. I think it's a great song in and of itself, but you're right; the way it sounded on the show last night made it sound horrible.

    Lee, I don't share your opinion that Clooney is gay. I just don't see it. I do, however, think he is one of the coolest guys in show business.
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    I loved it but I dont know if it deserved to win Best Picture.

    It was kind of long and the middle of it bored me.
    I remember watching the movie thinking "This is it? All the hype is about this?", but then the last half hour was incredible and that ending is haunting.

    I didnt see Crash so cant comment if it was better than Brokeback.
    From what I hear Cross the Line was a great film and got snubbed


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    Probably because some people (like me) didn't like it and didn't vote for it. Just an idea. Just because this movie is an outsider doesn't make it the right to win. It got 3 awards still.

    Give me Crash anytime. As for Brokeback...mmm... keep walking. LOL
    Just my 2 cents as usual


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    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpio
    Probably because some people (like me) didn't like it and didn't vote for it. Just an idea. Just because this movie is an outsider doesn't make it the right to win. It got 3 awards still.
    Well, sure, that's an idea. But then why would they give the movie Oscars for Best Original Screenplay and Best Director? Because they hated it?

    Here's a theory: I think the loss had more to do with people rebelling against the notion that they were SUPPOSED to vote for it. How many times do you hear people saying how much they hated a movie after everyone else says they loved it? And when you ask why they hated it, it's because they say it was because of all the hype. I honestly think a lot of people resent being told they SHOULD like something, so they go in with the idea that they are going to be DIFFERENT and NOT like it. For the record, I really don't like that kind of person.
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    I didn't say EVERYBODY hated it. This movie made it to the nomination because of course some people liked it. BUT then you got the choice between several movies and well, has to have a winner and a loser
    That's when people who didn't care for that movie voted for the other one.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpio
    I didn't say EVERYBODY hated it. This movie made it to the nomination because of course some people liked it. BUT then you got the choice between several movies and well, has to have a winner and a loser
    That's when people who didn't care for that movie voted for the other one.
    I think there are tons of reasons why Crash won out over Brokeback. Maybe they were uncomfortable with the gay themes and racism is an easier topic for them to deal with, or maybe they wanted to rebel against the film's huge cultural momentum, or maybe it has to do with the fact that most Oscar voters live in Los Angeles and Crash is set in L.A., or maybe they just thought Crash was the better movie.

    I loved Crash. I think it was amazing. But as much as I like it, I appreciate the subtlety and grace of Brokeback and the way it delivers its message of tolerance with only a fraction of the showy theatrics and twice the restraint. I don't like to feel like I've been hit over the head by a message, and that's what I think Crash does. I will always go with stealth over the obvious. But that's not to say that I don't appreciate the obvious. Just not as much. I think you can always say the same thing with less theatrics.

    I think any way you cut it, and for whatever reason, Brokeback got a big fat snub last night. It was also a very telling snug, in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXXWriterDude
    Well, sure, that's an idea. But then why would they give the movie Oscars for Best Original Screenplay and Best Director? Because they hated it?

    Here's a theory: I think the loss had more to do with people rebelling against the notion that they were SUPPOSED to vote for it. How many times do you hear people saying how much they hated a movie after everyone else says they loved it? And when you ask why they hated it, it's because they say it was because of all the hype. I honestly think a lot of people resent being told they SHOULD like something, so they go in with the idea that they are going to be DIFFERENT and NOT like it. For the record, I really don't like that kind of person.
    But why would people say they hate something just because everybody loves it? Well yeah, i can see that. It's like all those gay people loving this movie just because it's gay and they want to show their support to the gay community even if the movie is really so-so. I guess there are hypocrites on both sides

    But anyway, personnally i didn't like it (not because everybody loves it). Just not my kind of movies.


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    Quote Originally Posted by XXXWriterDude
    I think any way you cut it, and for whatever reason, Brokeback got a big fat snub last night. It was also a very telling snug, in my opinion.
    I disagree.. Had it not won any awards (like Good Night and Good Luck, by the way) that would have been a real snub. You have to admit, the competition was very strong.

    Plus, the message and impact is like letting the genie out of the bottle..... its made money playing in places like Waco, Texas. It is provoking straight people to stop and see why our love is exactly like theirs.

    Resist the easy temptation to find something wrong with the awards. Good grief... you can't have everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by desslock
    I disagree.. Had it not won any awards (like Good Night and Good Luck, by the way) that would have been a real snub. You have to admit, the competition was very strong.

    Plus, the message and impact is like letting the genie out of the bottle..... its made money playing in places like Waco, Texas. It is provoking straight people to stop and see why our love is exactly like theirs.

    Resist the easy temptation to find something wrong with the awards. Good grief... you can't have everything.

    Steve
    I know what you mean, Steve, and I think it's great that Brokeback has achieved all that it has, but like I said before, when you give a film Best Adapted Screenplay AND Best Director, but give the Best Picture award to a film that had only one acting nomination in a supporting category (which it lost) and did NOT win Best Director, it's a snub. Add to that the fact that Brokeback snagged the top honors in not only the Golden Globe Awards, the BAFTAS (British Oscars) and the Independent Spirit Awards, not to mention that Crash was for all intents and purposes, a last-minute upset, and it just comes off to me as Hollywood making some kind of a statement. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
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