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    MySpace Under Attack - Age Verification Issue

    Connecticut Attorney General Richard Blumenthal said he has met with the founder of the popular Web site www.MySpace.com and challenged the company to make the site safer for teens who used it.
    Now Blumenthal has gone a step further.

    This week he sent MySpace a list of what he described as "practical steps" the site should take. Among them is providing parents with free software to block the social networking site from home computers.

    Blumenthal said he also wants the social networking site to raise its minimum age for creating a MySpace profile from 14 to 16, to remove pornographic images and to beef up security on the site in an attempt to weed out pornography and catch possible sexual predators.

    "Every day that passes with these problems is another day children are at risk," Blumenthal said Tuesday. "Time is not a friend in our effort to protect children."

    MySpace has millions of users who create their own Web pages with pictures and text. Teens and adults use the pages to discuss their lives, interests and views about sex and romance. Users can leave messages on each other's pages.

    Some experts say pre-teens often lie about their age and create MySpace pages. Even some users who meet the age standards reveal too much about themselves — including their schools, cell phone numbers and sexy photos. That makes them vulnerable to sexual predators, who often pose as teenagers when striking up online conversations.

    In recent months, Connecticut has been at the center of a national debate over MySpace. Two out-of-state men were arrested this month and charged with molesting two Connecticut girls whom they met on MySpace. Middletown police also reported that seven local girls had been molested by MySpace users.

    In the Danbury area, officials in Bethel, Danbury, and Newtown — among other places — have held information sessions for parents about the possible dangers of MySpace.

    In the past, MySpace has indicated a willingness to discuss making the site safer. But on Tuesday, MySpace — owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Corp., which also owns the Fox News Channel — responded to Blumenthal's call for change with a prepared statement that defended current policies.

    It said, in part, that MySpace is "dedicating a third of our workforce to policing and monitoring our site on a 24-hour, seven-day-a-week basis to make sure our age requirements are met and that inappropriate images are not posted to the site. The accounts of users who violate these policies are closed."

    MySpace said its workers review "every image hosted by our site – more than 1.5 million every day – using our dedicated customer care team as well as algorithms and search engines to identify and purge inappropriate material."

    In February, Blumenthal said he met with MySpace co-founder and CEO Chris DeWolfe and company lawyers to discuss how to make the Web site safer for children.

    Blumenthal would like to see MySpace ban anyone under 16 from the main Web site. He suggested MySpace create a separate site for 14- and 15-year-olds.

    He also said he wants MySpace to require users to log in and verify their age before viewing profiles. And he said he wants only users 18 or older to be permitted to view adult material.

    Is there a realistic way to get a person's real age?

    "There are means of verification that exist that are feasible and affordable," Blumenthal said.

    These include credit card and social security numbers.

    Bethel Police School Resource Officer George Bryce said he believes the age issue is one of the biggest challenges for MySpace and other social networking sites. He said he knows some Web sites where people can verify their age with a credit card.

    Bryce said he likes the idea that "instead of just throwing his hands in the air, he (Blumenthal) is actually doing something. It is a good positive step forward to help protect the kids."

    Other experts say no age verification system is foolproof.

    "A lot of kids fake their ages," said Ethan Mable, Danbury Youth Bureau detective. "Predators fake their ages."

    Mable said he sees the importance of age verification — he just wonders if kids will find a way around it.

    "Measures like that might feel good, but time will tell," he said.

    Parry Aftab is executive director for a non-profit organization called WiredSafety.org, which devotes itself to educating parents and children about Internet safety.

    She said she agrees with Blumenthal that Web sites, such as MySpace, should offer free software for parents to explain how the sites work and to block them if that's what the parent wants.

    "It's not just MySpace; it's everyone's responsibility," she said.

    MySpace officials said they have partnered with WiredSafety to improve site safety.

    "MySpace posts a link to a set of safety tips prepared by WiredSafety on every page of our site," the Web site said in its statement.

    Blumenthal said he would like to see MySpace increase staffing and employ additional filtering software to block nudity and sexually explicit images. He also said MySpace should hire a security director that is independent from the corporate hierarchy and reports directly to the Board of Directors.

    "They can do better, with more staff and more affective technology," he said.

    In their statement, MySpace officials said they work with hundreds of law enforcement agencies at the federal, state, and local levels to address potential issues.

    Mable said he has worked with MySpace officials and found them cooperative. He said he hopes the safety measures MySpace is taking set an example for other sites.

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    Wouldnt it be ironic if it was actually a non-adult site that brought about the age verification issue rather than a porn site.

    I wonder how MySpace will address this?

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    Lee,

    I am more worried how the US as a whole will address that issue....

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    As everyone knows I am all for age verification attempts for any x rated content. I would be the best possible thing for all of us by putting value back into adult content, and cleaning up the trash traffic. Hell to tell the truth I like PG content, I might be old fashion but some mystery is hott, and I am sure studios could provide a huge amount of enticing content with out giving away the farm. Also I hate to speak for them not knowing their thinking, but it would allow allot more photographers to create more artistic and fulfilling creations rather than just “dicks and pics”


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    Well, that way I see it is that you can't make the entire world like "Disney World" which is a fantasy world totally devoid of reality and therefore also devoid of adventure and danger. There is NO way to make myspace 100% safe for little Johnny and Jane Teenager. When ever you have an open system like that you will have every sort of individual in the COMMUNITY and that is the point...it is an online COMMUNITY which by definition will contain some people that other's might not like...well, deal with it...UNLESS you want to have a "closed system" where you can set entry requirements such as ONLY 18+

    Parents think nothing of dropping their kid off at the local mall for an afternoon with his/her friends...now and then something happens (a fight, or some wacho might do something) but that is rare considering the millions of people (including kids) at malls every day. The same with an online comminity like myspace...millions use it every day BUT those times that something happens are what makes great headlines and sells newspapers (of gets you to click on the hyperlink on cnn.com)! The reality is that statistically it almost never happens...so is there really a problem at all??? OR is it simple a perceived problem due to media hysteria??

    Once again it boils down to parents being responsible for their individual children and NOT passing that responsibilty to society. Oh, yes, since it's NOT Disney World there WILL be an occassional problem but that is the price you pay for an open community and I think that most of us are aware of that and willing to deal with that reality.

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    Hi Max

    Quote Originally Posted by maxpower
    As everyone knows I am all for age verification attempts for any x rated content. I would be the best possible thing for all of us by putting value back into adult content, and cleaning up the trash traffic.
    Well, I really started working porn after the introduction of Face2Face AVS systems here in Germany. I had my domains longer but not really promoting them. People say that the income hit was about 50 to 70% after the introduction.

    Many larger webmasters moved across one of the many borders in order to having not to comply with the german laws anymore.

    I bet offshoring will be big when they introduce AVS in the US, too - I believe it will be not as strong as in germany first... but they will get the hang of it ;D


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    As long as they do it right and not allow any servers or directories that allow free xxx content too be listed in the US then it will work, not 100% but it would start to turn the tied. If they can filter the Chinese directories we can do it too, not that I am really for that, but something has to be done. Hell you cant provide CP anyplace in the world even places that its not prosecuted they will shut down your servers ECT so they could do this too. The US is 80% + of the adult market so what we do everyone will have to follow.


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    He also said he wants MySpace to require users to log in and verify their age before viewing profiles. And he said he wants only users 18 or older to be permitted to view adult material.

    Is there a realistic way to get a person's real age?

    "There are means of verification that exist that are feasible and affordable," Blumenthal said.

    These include credit card and social security numbers.
    Whatever asshole from Connecticut! I distinctly recall Visa and MC refusing to allow their credit cards to be used as a means of age verification. If you are an Attorney General... how about doing the smallest bit of research before you mouth off on something you know nothing about. I am so done with this fucking country, I swear!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Xstr8guy
    Whatever asshole from Connecticut! I distinctly recall Visa and MC refusing to allow their credit cards to be used as a means of age verification. If you are an Attorney General... how about doing the smallest bit of research before you mouth off on something you know nothing about. I am so done with this fucking country, I swear!
    If the Gov. would back them I am sure Visa and MC would be more than happy for their cards to be used that way. If that really happened it would be a new golden age for all of us.


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    Quote Originally Posted by maxpower
    As long as they do it right and not allow any servers or directories that allow free xxx content too be listed in the US then it will work, not 100% but it would start to turn the tied. If they can filter the Chinese directories we can do it too, not that I am really for that, but something has to be done. Hell you cant provide CP anyplace in the world even places that its not prosecuted they will shut down your servers ECT so they could do this too.
    Cencorship - remeber y'alls first amendment (is it the first)? Free speach - isn't that something almost every US-Citizen makes use of whenever he wants so say or show something? You would have to exclude every single server which does not register with the US - like in China.

    The big AWMs will just move abroad and make use of the rest of the world's population.

    Buddy, come over to german forums and ask people what good AVS brought to them (http://www.jaginforum.de http://www.pornhulk.net)

    The US is 80% + of the adult market so what we do everyone will have to follow.
    Maybe just 80% of the world's porn expenses are conducted by US-citizen?


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    Quote Originally Posted by maxpower
    If the Gov. would back them I am sure Visa and MC would be more than happy for their cards to be used that way. If that really happened it would be a new golden age for all of us.
    VISA and MC are both pushing credit cards to teenagers, even partnered with AOL for some teen credit card program and you think they'll be happy to have their cards used for age verification?

    When AVS systems first came online, they weren't too happy about it but enjoyed the revenue it brought. As they progressed to get more cards out into the hands of people, they became less enthused due to the fraud being committed. So will they support such a drive?

    Doubt it very much nor is it even a practile answer. Credit Cards don't prove age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gaystoryman
    VISA and MC are both pushing credit cards to teenagers, even partnered with AOL for some teen credit card program and you think they'll be happy to have their cards used for age verification?

    When AVS systems first came online, they weren't too happy about it but enjoyed the revenue it brought. As they progressed to get more cards out into the hands of people, they became less enthused due to the fraud being committed. So will they support such a drive?

    Doubt it very much nor is it even a practile answer. Credit Cards don't prove age.
    Well the CC companies have the age of each member, so the could encode that info. Underage people can still order beer or playboy magazines online now so with a CC, nothing will be 100% but it would cut out 90% of the problem. To tell the truth I don’t give a shit about some 16year old that wants to look at porn online, hell we all looked a friends or our dad porno at that age that’s really not my problem. My problem is the increasing expansion of free content every place, it could have been stopped a longtime ago if the studios would not have let people use their content in non password protected areas, but that ship has already sailed. The bottom line is if the Gov. really wanted to stop most of this they could, because we in the industry will never be able to regulate are selves in this matter. GOD trust me I hate to say that, but what do you think the net is going to look like in 10 years? You think you will be able to sell anything when people have an endless selection of high quality pictures, videos, and movies all for free 24/7.


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    And BTW if you give your 15 year old a CC with out watching what he is using it for, then he is going to have more problems in life than just the porn he will beadle to get.


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    Credit Card companies have the age of clients a long time ago, however a little thing known as the Rights of Privacy are involved. It isn't a cut n dried matter as you seem to believe it would be. And frankly the proof is in the history of AVS sites that are now AEN's simply because of the Credit Cards refusal to have their cards used for Age Verification.

    As to the free stuff. It is the same complaint today as it was 10 years ago. So in answer to your question, Yes I do see making money in 10 years from now, just as I am making a whole lot more today than I did 10 years ago, just as in fact many on this forum are doing. If free stuff is the cause for low sales, then how come so many are making more today than 5 or 10 years ago with all this free stuff that you say is ruining the industry?

    The answer, in my view, is simply that there are a ton of new webmasters who are either too lazy to figure out what took many of us time to figures out and are too lazy to do the work involved in making it all work. Then too there are some who are simply unlucky. It happens. But as the internet changes, its up to the webmaster to adjust, where needed.
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    Things are not better now than 10 years ago by a long shot, most people online feel its there right to get all the free content they want with out ever paying for anything ever. I am sure some people are doing better just off of the projects they have done in the past helping future sales, and some super niche sites are doing ok, but that’s the bottom of this barrel. What do you think it will be like when all the niche sites are going to be under the same proliferation of free content and pressure from an endless number of weekend webmasters. Its not just the sales for my members site that I am looking at I have sold every major companies products as well their conversion numbers are plummeting, no mater what they want to say to get new affiliates


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    Quote Originally Posted by maxpower
    Things are not better now than 10 years ago by a long shot, most people online feel its there right to get all the free content they want with out ever paying for anything ever. I am sure some people are doing better just off of the projects they have done in the past helping future sales, and some super niche sites are doing ok, but that’s the bottom of this barrel. What do you think it will be like when all the niche sites are going to be under the same proliferation of free content and pressure from an endless number of weekend webmasters. Its not just the sales for my members site that I am looking at I have sold every major companies products as well their conversion numbers are plummeting, no mater what they want to say to get new affiliates
    Well, perhaps in your circle or where ever it is that you get your information from that might be the case, though from my own reading of boards, of discussions with many others who don't bullshit, that simply isn't the case.

    I would suggest that before you make blanket claims of how things are, you should perhaps find out what others experience. The fact is, my business model has steadily increased over the last ten years. I know others who have experienced the exact same increase (steady that is) that put your statement into the false category.

    As to the 'selling of every major plugin' I am not going to go there.

    I would add that there are great many successful operators on this board, and they don't seem to be experiencing a serious set back or loss over the time they have been in business. In fact Lee has launched several new programs and they are succeeding and that is during this period of so called devaluation by free stuff. So I would say it isnt the free stuff making some not succeed, but other reasons or combinations of reasons.
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