I was just wondering what most people that promote sites like the price of that site to be? I can see both ends of it, it would probably sell a bit more at a low price but at a higher pice you would make more on every transaction.:signhere:
19.95
24.95
29.95
34.95
39.95
I was just wondering what most people that promote sites like the price of that site to be? I can see both ends of it, it would probably sell a bit more at a low price but at a higher pice you would make more on every transaction.:signhere:
perhaps worth mentioning is that a lot of bigger review sites opt for the lowest price if multiple prices are offered - usually $14.95. they say they recur a lot better.
I agree with Bass.
I am doing the PimpRoll Stuff and sending them to 14.95 w/ NO trial. Even though they offer more for the trial signups. I am converting 2-4 times better depending on the week. Plus, $15 bucks gives the surfer enough extra cash to buy another site. Hehehehehe
Well 15$ is too low for this site, I plan to many updates for such a low price, I might do a smaller cheaper twink site in the future just to appeal to the low end of the market. I am thinking now maybe 29.95 with no trial and then 24.95 0r 19.95 recurring.
I knew a guy that was on my hosting service that charged under $10 and my host said you would not believe the members he has.
Sean cody is 24.95 a month and you dont get any better than that with exclusive contenet.
It's ahrd to get them in at $30 w/o a trial unless its 100% Exclusive.
Fuck.
I may do a twink site like Platinum Bucks 9.82 deals. Drop in 500,00 bought images, all the twink feeds, and add 3 models a day. Pay $25 a signup and make a killing.
OK man, but from what you have said on this board I do not think you would create a twink site, maybe a frat site you call twinks. :baby:
Originally Posted by maxpower
Non exclusive twink site.... jesus dear... 29.95 is aaaaaaa looooot.... 19.95 is more normal price... if you want to retain people....
I have seen them for 24.95-39.95 19.95 maybe for recurring, but I will charge at least 24.95 to start, BTW I am getting/have some exclusive stuff, its just that I do not have that much yet, and trying to get allot of movies and stuff first.
I would create a twink site. I have no issues with that at all. I just wouldn't make it/ brand it as simulated child porn, even though it's legal.
Max, you have ti do the math. Is it better to have 500 members at 29.95, 1500 at 19.95, or 5,000 at 9.82.
Once you hit $20+ unless it's all exclusive, you will have a hard time converting. At 9.82 with a pay per signup I can do a nice crosss sell to a site and make an additional $10-20 right off the bat.
I have some good tiwnk domain and am not afraid of twink sites. I mean i am creating ethnictwinks.com
It isnt just about the math involved with the money to be made but also the timeframe for breaking even in addition to the amount of traffic needed to be sent to the site to make those numbers.
Id rather have 500 members @ $29.95 to a site that broke even in 2 months than have 5000 members @ $9.82 on a site that took 12 months to break even.
Likewise, how much traffic was sent to the tours in order to make those sales?
Numbers like that look really good on paper but, until you put your site online for the 'real world' to see, you arent going to know which is the best option.
Dont forget, the lower the membership cost, the longer its going to take to break even and, the more content you are going to need to purchase, a smaller membership base at a higher price point is going to be much more cost effective for the long term than a higher membership base with a lower price point.
Regards,
Lee
I think Lee is right on this one, and lets not forget the lower the price the less affiliates that are going to want to promote it.
I disagree. I don't look at things short term. If i judged ANY project by how fast i could break even, then no project would be worth it.
I mean I can break even on an AVS site in two hours. Does that mean I should just create AVS sites? MAYBE!
The bottom line in my book is how much is a membership worth to me?
For my last paysite a 1 month membership at 14.95 was worth $88.62
A 3 moth membership at 29.95 was worth $112.84. If I was charging twice that, I am sure each member would be much less than that.
This is not taking into account upsells or crossells. Paying $25 per signup gives me a real steady revenue stream on cross sells. And mega volume in the members area gives me a great deal of upsells.
Cross sells and upsells are an art and sciensce in itself. Some understand the conversions and extra income cross sells make, others don't. And there are tricks to upsell I rarely see. For example I had my aebn theater showing videos that members could buy in packs of 6 for like 189 and I got 30% off that. So surfer spends $20 in the video theater likes the videos and then buys the video pack giving me like ANOTHER $20.
Crossells and unpsells with 5,000 members at a lower price is more profitable in the long run. At some point your costs become ALMOST fixed. What I mean by that is I can spend 5k a month on content and have 1000 memebers and spend 7k and have 5k and spend 10k and have 15,000. The more members the lower the cost per member.
Yes it is a longer period to break even and that's the cost of a solid business plan. But as the the membership base implodes, the cost per memeber declines rapidly.
To me its about retention, crossells, and upsells, and actually generatinmg enough signups and traffic to do some good trades.
I mean this model wont work on a niche site. But a twink site. Hell yes. Every signup I get to my 9.82 site that I keep happy maybe one someone that has a $30 site loses. And if i can convert 5 times better than they can it's worth it in many more ways than one.
IF however I had good 100% exclusive content, i would never do that.
Break even time frame is NOT important if you are in it for the long haul. And traffic is not an issue to a Twink site at all.
What are issues? CONVERSIONS, RETENTION, crossells, upsells, and the ability to convince webmasters that your site converts and they will make more money.
And let's no kid ourselfs Twink content is not anywhere near the most expensive content on the market. Even exclusive Twink content is considerablt less than Asian (IF you can even find it).
You are talking about the PPS business model i presume where upsells, cross-sells and trading traffic are important however, most program owners on GWW run their sites based on the revshare business model.
If you open a revshare model affiliate program and have nothing but upsells, cross-sells, traffic trades via consoles, etc etc, you arent going to get many affiliates, again, loing term, you want the most traffic you can get to your site, thats where affiliates are invaluable, the more traffic they send and the more sales that they make, the more profit you make in the long term.
We all know the PPS business model isnt about retaining but about up and cross selling the members in addition to making money on the console chains.
You are kidding right?Break even time frame is NOT important if you are in it for the long haul.
You think McDonalds opens a new store without looking at how soon they can break even? You think Microsoft launches a new product without taking in to account their breakeven point? I dont think so.
Traffic is important to ANY site.traffic is not an issue to a Twink site at all.
Without traffic, you dont have sales... Period.
Regards,
Lee
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