Hi guys, just wondering which free AVS works best for you.
I have been with SexKey for years now which have worked well for me but I want to expand using other “free” systems.
SK seems to work great for both gay and straight content, can anyone suggest others?
I’d appreciate any help that I can get.
Thanks!
I loom forward to seeing the replies from the Xperts
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Regards,
Lee
ooooh, sidestepping that one, thank you...
Most of the webmasters that still use the free services use SexKey/Mansites. They seem to be the only pro-active free service, the other ones don't seem to be advertising and basically are just out there.
Artist/Painter and Webmaster of Huskyhunks.com.
Yep SexKey/Mansites are the end all be all for free AVS's. I will be shocked if we ever see another free AVS worth a crap as long as I live, of for that matter another AVS at all. Its all about discoed itself out :square:
New AVS's are not as rare as you think. The business model has just shifted to the AEN/broadband/movie download type of site. www.PrideAccess.com, a new sponsor of GWW, has a pretty nifty program. Check them out if you think AVS is dying.
Well for me the only cool thing about AVS was the traffic, these new sites are almost useless to me. They are more like large affiliate programs with many crappy sites that have the same content in all the sites. If I want to promote a site I will try to match the site as well as I can to the content I am offering, this shot gun approach just does not work every good for me, and I would rather spend my time and traffic on something that converts better. I would not say these new types of sites are really a spin on AVS as much as they are a spin on a more standard affiliate programs. Its a ok smoke and mirrors approach, but the sites you promote are not your sites in really anyway, but I do know you like them so I guess if they work with what you want to do then go for it.
The sites you promote can be your sites if you have the design skills to make them. MANY offer dvd movies or you can license your own. Either way you can make a site that just you can market or in some cases set up your own affiliate program and have others market.
I totally agree with you MAX that the model of submitting a site and getting good credit card traffic (leeching) as you like to do is getting harder, but even that can still be done IF you know what you are doing!
This whole “leaching” thing bothers me a bit about all this, after all I have to provide the content, create the site, and the traffic as well have a dozen other things. If I am not going to be provided with good traffic I can use for other projects to better filter it I see very little help all this could offer me. After all I can take CC all on my own, and if I am creating the sites, providing sales, driving the traffic to the sites, and everything else what do I really get other than fucked by a company that is trying to cock block me? Its a cool idea to give new people the illusion they are really in control of a “site” while at the same time you have totally control over others content and work as well as able to set rules that benefit you, while making money off of them with very little individual investment. Now who’s the leach?
BTW AVS traffic is not as good as it was 5 years ago, most of viewers have become very wary of all the upsales they have been constantly exposed to while at the same time more AVS sites are creating ever increasingly stricter rules to make it harder for webmaster to make a living and improve their own profits, in fact AVS sales numbers are worse than free sites traffic because of allot of this stuff and other things.
I can only say this so many times Max... but you are wrong. I OWN the vast majority of the content on my AEN sites. I have 100,000 of pics and many dozens of movies on my AEN sites. I have designed all of them myself with the exception of my PrideAccess sites (the have a GREAT designer). At the end of the day, I can turn them into pay sites in about 10 minutes.
I know you seem to think you can only work on a single project at a time. But it's never a bad idea to diversify. Most people will tell you to expand your income-earning potential by expanding into other areas.
Btw Max, I blame webmasters like you for the demise of the old-style AVS. Webmasters like you just want the traffic from the AVSs so you build dozens of crappy templated sites every week with old, sponsor or public domain content.
You add no value to the AVS at all. You just leach the traffic from other webmasters that actually bring their own traffic to the AVS and submit quality galleries with new and/or exclusive content.
BLEAH!
each webmaster works differently. If your running paysites you need to leech abit of avs traffic. I do it all the time, but i also make my sites the best i can with the best design and content i can, so the avs does benefit too even if that particular site doesnt make many sales. its still good content for them.
The problem with AVS is webmasters who look at it as a traffic source only. If you don't actually try selling the AVS at all and you're just looking for traffic, you're going to find the experience very dissatisfying. Do you really think AVS sites are stupid and don't know everyone wants their traffic? Do you think they just sit back and allow it to happen?
Why do you suppose that AVS/AEN sites have such complicated rules and submission guidelines?
Let's look at Rainbow Passport as an example. If you submit a gallery with even one single traffic leak to a link list or other paysite on the tour pages, your site is approved and dropped to "tier 2." This means your script works, but you don't ever show up in their listings or search engines, so baby, as far as traffic goes, you're on your own. If you submit a clean gallery with no outside traffic leaks, you're a tier 1 and in the search engine. And most AVS/AEN sites work like this. Some like DeluxePass allow no traffic leaks anywhere inside or out.
If you submit crap, they'll happily approve it, this way if some traffic happens to stumble across your site and clicks the join button, they've got your traffic. But crap always sinks to the bottom. They don't show your site in their listings or they bury it so deep that it's at the bottom of 98,000 other sites and no surfer will ever find you.
If you submit galleries that try to sell the AVS/AEN service (and try and upsell their premium products) then you'll earn more favour with the AVS/AEN. They'll list you and rank you higher in their search engines because they recognize you're creating a good product for them.
My best advice to the traffic-seeking webmasters is to simply stop wasting your time building bullshit galleries. You're just burning up your time and money. If you put the effort into creating a better product, you'll (a) make some money off AVS memberships (and what's the difference whether you're getting a cheque from UGAS or Sean Cody) and (b) you'll be able to get more traffic to your site because your gallery's getting more exposure.
AVS is dying only because most webmasters didn't ever figure out how to make them work so they moved on to free sites, TGPs, links lists, paysites, and now blogs and review sites. You know how quickly and how much this business changes, why do you think 1999 tactics are still going to work in 2006?
Cheers,
Michael
i know your not really aiming that solely at me, but i did say that i allways build quality sites to the best of my ability.
i do try to sell avs passwords, my problem is that im crap with google so i end up sending tgp traffic which doesnt convert as well allthough i make avs sales and see it as a bonus.
i also upsell to premium avs, so i do benefit the avs in many ways.
do i think avs's are stupid? yep - look through the links list of any avs and see the shite they except.
whats the difference bewteen a ugas check and sean cody check? well i wouldnt piss on ugas if they were on fire. i certainly wouldnt sell my soul to them (allthough i think dave is an ace guy). so thats a bad example for me, but in general i welcome checks from avs's, i just welcome checks from sponors too. the avs does very nicley from webmasters so wheres the harm in us getting more back? they are not our friends. there in it to make cold hard cash and so am i. they use us and we use them. both the avs and the contributors benefit.
Actually Marc, my comments weren't directly at you personally or specifically. But rather I was addressing the pervasive attitude that the only thing AVS is good for is getting traffic, but that doesn't work. It's a fallacy. Most AVS hubs stop webmasters dead in their tracks, they only think they're pulling one over on the AVS.
It's like TGPs, if you cheat, you either get a reputation or you get banned. Short-sightedness doesn't get webmasters anywhere.
Cheers
Michael
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