Coup in Thailand -- Danny?

[Lee]

Again, from what I know in speaking with Danny himself, that was really just the final straw. His problems with GWW existed some time before that thread. I'm just sayin'...

Oh okay, a shame he couldnt talk about the problems he was having rather than just pulling a hissy fit one day, oh well, no loss.

Regards,

Lee

[JustBryce]

oh well, no loss.

You are so nasty. It baffles me.

[Lee]

You are so nasty. It baffles me.

Perhaps if Danny took the time to contact me and tell me what his issues with GWW were they could have been worked out, other people have done that in the past. Unfortunately, as of right now, nobody except him knows what they were so there is no way they can be fixed or resolved.

He isnt banned, he can come back whenever he wants and post, i think this thread highlights that the 'no loss' comment is true, has anyone actually mentioned him on GWW since he stormed out in a huff? Has anyone asked where he is or how he is doing since he made that post?

That, to me, says that his 'leaving' GWW hasnt really had any effect on anyone other than him hence, no loss.

Regards,

Lee

[JustBryce]

I think you are a lot more sensitive than you let on. You seem to care about his departure more than anyone. Perhaps the two of you could open a private dialogue where you could sort out your feelings for him? Just a suggestion

Seriously, you came in here looking for a fight and to make your point. Mission accomplished. We are all sufficiently aware of your position on the matter. I will remember in the future, that when it comes time to inquire about the wellbeing of another gay webmaster... that this is not the place to do it. The ability to take a compassionate and humanitarian question and flip the dialogue into one promoting a personal agenda is a rare talent. The diatribe above is vendictive, but completly unnesessary.

Anyway, this is exactly the kind of drama you were probably after so I'll pass on humoring it any further. Cheers, Lee.

[Lee]

I think you are a lot more sensitive than you let on. You seem to care about his departure more than anyone. Perhaps the two of you could open a private dialogue where you could sort out your feelings for him? Just a suggestion

Seriously, you came in here looking for a fight and to make your point. Mission accomplished. We are all sufficiently aware of your position on the matter. I will remember in the future, that when it comes time to inquire about the wellbeing of another gay webmaster... that this is not the place to do it. The ability to take a compassionate and humanitarian question and flip the dialogue into one promoting a personal agenda is a rare talent. The diatribe above is vendictive, but completly unnesessary.

Anyway, this is exactly the kind of drama you were probably after so I'll pass on humoring it any further. Cheers, Lee.

Bryce,

Seriously, i wasnt looking to start any 'drama' i think we've all had enough of that in the past few days with Pulz.

I just posted to let you know that he isnt around here anymore and, as such, didnt expect many people will have heard from him, guess i was wrong.

I still stand by the rest of what i said though defending my post letting you know he no longer posts here, although i dont know why it needed to be defended in the first place $0.02

Sorry if you took it any way other than the way i intended it to be taken, as helpful adice to where you can find Danny.

Regards,

Lee

[XXXWriterDude]

Perhaps if Danny took the time to contact me and tell me what his issues with GWW were they could have been worked out, other people have done that in the past. Unfortunately, as of right now, nobody except him knows what they were so there is no way they can be fixed or resolved.

He isnt banned, he can come back whenever he wants and post, i think this thread highlights that the 'no loss' comment is true, has anyone actually mentioned him on GWW since he stormed out in a huff? Has anyone asked where he is or how he is doing since he made that post?

That, to me, says that his 'leaving' GWW hasnt really had any effect on anyone other than him hence, no loss.

Regards,

Lee

OMG, Lee! You are BETTER than this. Or at least, as the owner of this board, you SHOULD be.

[Xstr8guy]

Oh, he'll be back. Just about everyone who leaves eventually comes back. Once he realizes there is no real business being done on any of the other boards.

I know that sounds a bit harsh but in my mind, it's true. I've tried to become active on several other gay boards but I just can't find my groove. Sure people may be nice and friendly. But with few exceptions so very little actual information is exchanged. It's mostly light-hearted congratulations, program announcements, or "are you going to the next show" threads. And I find that REALLY boring!

Sure, there may be too much drama here and it can get quite predictable. Lee does press some of our buttons and in response, we become emotional. But where else can you find such a helpful, sincere bunch of REAL webmasters... not just "marketing types"?

[Squirt]

I think everyone needs to just calm down and relax

A lot of stuff has been dug up lately and not very nice things exposed. What's done is done. People are aware and that is the goal, nothing else.

PLEASE remember that what is posted on boards is not always everything that one knows, but due to liability issues posts are made with absolute facts you can back up, or you have permission from interested parties to post Sometimes people you respect don't want their involvement made public and that needs to be honored.

People who are caught out say it's to cause drama and/or hurt someone else, that is not the case. It's to make others in our community aware so they can protect themselves and not be implicated in something they had no idea they were involved with.

Not so pleasant things happen on boards sometimes and that's just a reality.

Summer slowdown is over and we all need to get to work and secure a good few months productivity for an even more successful season this year

[realtoughbear]

Oh, he'll be back. Just about everyone who leaves eventually comes back. Once he realizes there is no real business being done on any of the other boards.

He'll be back when hell freezes over....

[Lee]

He'll be back when hell freezes over....

Brrrrr... Can you feel that chill?

Regards,

Lee

[XXXWriterDude]

Oh okay, a shame he couldnt talk about the problems he was having rather than just pulling a hissy fit one day, oh well, no loss.

Regards,

Lee

Actually, it IS a loss. Danny is a great guy with a lot to offer this board. He just got tired of webmaster self-righteousness, of which there is a lot (too much) to be found here. As you can see, Craig also left the board as a result of the same thread, and that was BEFORE you pointed out that someone had accused zBUCKz of being invovled in CP.

I'm not directing this at any one person, nor does it have to do with any one post or with GWW specifically. I just think that there is something to what I'm saying when I point out that many people in this business are FAR too quick to jump on their high horses and point fingers at other people. Something about being part of this business really brings out the ugly in people. Strangely enough, that only seems to happen on these webmaster forums, where the people don't have to look each other in the face and they can sit behind the "safety" of their computer monitors and judge each other. I think Craig and Danny (as well as many others who have since vacated this forum and several others) just got to a point where they grew disheartened with the underlying air of self-righteousness that can get in the way of good judgment.

[Lee]

Actually, it IS a loss. Danny is a great guy with a lot to offer this board. He just got tired of webmaster self-righteousness, of which there is a lot (too much) to be found here.

I have to disagree, i dont think there is a lot of self-righteousness here at all, there are however a lot of people who have strong morals and ethics where things like promoting Mike18 and sites of a similar (or worse) nature is considered 'wrong' because of the audience those types of sites attract.

I would also say that we have a lot of community members who dont think defrauding people for hundreds of thousands of dollars is the right thing to do.

From what you have said, it seems like Danny had issues with some people being called out for promoting pseudo cp sites and the likes, i personally dont see that as individuals being 'self-righteous' at all in fact, i would say the individuals who brought the promoters of these types of site to our attention did the right thing.

Not because it helped them, but because it helped the rest of our community members know who to stay clear of in our business dealings, if Danny wants to do business with those individuals, fine, he can do so, but the vast majority of us want to know who the shady people in the industry are so we can stay as far away from them as possible.

Also, on a side note, i understand that one of the people who was called out for promoting pseudo CP sites was involved in negotiations to have his site purchased by Reece, just as Danny apparently was, i can certainly see how that could potentially have influenced Danny's decision to stop posting on GWW and also see why it might keep him from posting on GWW again.

Thats just my take on what you have said his reasons for leaving were thus far.

I just dont see why, if someone is having a problem with GWW, with me or, any of our other community members, they cant communicate about these problems and resolve them instead of pulling a hissy fit and storming out like a spoilt little child.

Regards,

Lee

[XXXWriterDude]

I have to disagree, i dont think there is a lot of self-righteousness here at all, there are however a lot of people who have strong morals and ethics where things like promoting Mike18 and sites of a similar (or worse) nature is considered 'wrong' because of the audience those types of sites attract.

I would also say that we have a lot of community members who dont think defrauding people for hundreds of thousands of dollars is the right thing to do.

From what you have said, it seems like Danny had issues with some people being called out for promoting pseudo cp sites and the likes, i personally dont see that as individuals being 'self-righteous' at all in fact, i would say the individuals who brought the promoters of these types of site to our attention did the right thing.

Not because it helped them, but because it helped the rest of our community members know who to stay clear of in our business dealings, if Danny wants to do business with those individuals, fine, he can do so, but the vast majority of us want to know who the shady people in the industry are so we can stay as far away from them as possible.

Also, on a side note, i understand that one of the people who was called out for promoting pseudo CP sites was involved in negotiations to have his site purchased by Reece, just as Danny apparently was, i can certainly see how that could potentially have influenced Danny's decision to stop posting on GWW and also see why it might keep him from posting on GWW again.

Thats just my take on what you have said his reasons for leaving were thus far.

I just dont see why, if someone is having a problem with GWW, with me or, any of our other community members, they cant communicate about these problems and resolve them instead of pulling a hissy fit and storming out like a spoilt little child.

Regards,

Lee

Well, if that's the way you see it, I can't argue with you. You're entitled to your opinion. For my part, I think there's a difference between alerting people to things and moving on and causing a stir just for the sake of causing a stir. And I see an awful lot of the latter on here. But as I said, that seems to go with the territory of being in the adult industry. Oh well. I just wish that tact was something practiced a lot more regularly in this business.

[realtoughbear]

From what you have said, it seems like Danny had issues with some people being called out for promoting pseudo cp sites and the likes, i personally dont see that as individuals being 'self-righteous' at all in fact, i would say the individuals who brought the promoters of these types of site to our attention did the right thing.

Lee,

As XXXwriter pointed out it was the FINAL straw for him. But you are so buried in your own self-righteousness that you don't even see what you did wrong.

You posted on a public forum (with your own motivations to be served) and said "Danny, check your PM I just sent you a message of someone accusing you of CP)." Wouldn't a Danny, check you PM be enough?

Of course after that post icq's start going. Curious minds wanna know. Duh!

Why the hell send a private message if you state what the message is all about (to suit your purpose).

If anyone in this business had ethics they wouldn't waste their time to post on this board and give you the honor of having a pageview. But ethics is something that is lacking in this business.

BTW, Danny is an awesome guy, very professional, honest, and of high integrity and a good friend.

And for all those who want to know, he is doing fine.

[Lee]

If anyone in this business had ethics they wouldn't waste their time to post on this board and give you the honor of having a pageview. But ethics is something that is lacking in this business.

So you are saying that nobody on GWW has any ethics? Interesting stuff.

Perhaps we should all stop posting on GWW and head across to IGP where we can find a bunch of people who promote pseudo child porn sites, steal other peoples work and, scam people out of thousands of dollars?

Maybe not, i know where i would rather be seen, its obvious you have made your choice though, perhaps you should stick to it?

How many times have you made your 'last post' on GWW now? 3? 4? LOL

Regards,

Lee