What if this happened...

[deanb]

Hypothetically speaking of course but I want to know your opinions about something.

What if you were casting models and a 21 year old want-to-be in porn guy asked if he had to fuck the director of the video for an audtion? AND What if he went on to explain how the last time he wanted to do porn he had to do that? AND what if, not only did 2 guys (one being the director) fucked him on the audtion, but also did so bareback? And what if then they told him basically that he wasn't good enough and to be in porn and that he was free to go?

How would you feel about the company? the director?

In my opinion, it is absolutely unacceptable behavior. I know the guy wasn't drugged, but a 20 year old guy (how old he hypothetically was at the time of the incident) trying to do porn, having no real idea how it works, gets basically conned in to a bare back fuck fest for the directors pleasure, then gets to be made to feel like a piece of used meat, when he wasn't a good enough fuck to get in the video.

[basschick]

i think you already know that no one here is likely to support that behaviour. casting couch tactics aren't acceptable to that many people, and it seems to me they are more likely to work on guys with more problems - drugs, emotional problems or severe financial problems. the guys who might have gone into porn who are quality people with self esteem will probably take a look at what's going on and decide that porn is really not for them. so everyone loses but the producer, director or casting person whose main interest what in getting a blowjob. pathetic!

[Lee]

Well not speaking hypothetically, directors that do this on a regular basis, are nothing short of scum.

If they have to result to 'casting' models and 'auditioning' them on the spot to get laid then they have some serious issues they need to deal with.

Just my $0.02

Regards,

Lee

[citiboyz]

That's just atrocious! But it's becoming all too common in our business, I think. Read the post from Chip re: Red Temple. It seems like these guys are spreading like a cancer over the industry. Maybe they've been here all along and we just hear about them more, though. But I'm certainly fighting that here in my area, with recruiters and photographers from some "reputable" companies, no less.

[deanb]

That's just atrocious! But it's becoming all too common in our business, I think. Read the post from Chip re: Red Temple. It seems like these guys are spreading like a cancer over the industry. Maybe they've been here all along and we just hear about them more, though. But I'm certainly fighting that here in my area, with recruiters and photographers from some "reputable" companies, no less.

This isn't a casting company, it is a porn company, a good size one at that who everyone here knows...

[citiboyz]

I stand corrected. I don't know any porn studios in Dallas, but I do believe Chip thought Red Temple was somewhere in Texas. Anyway, it's a sick way of running a business.

[IdolKnights]

I would be the first to say, should someone be placed in this situation, did they tell you about their HIV/AIDS status before treating you like a free hole for two?

Just like scammers and skimmers, they label the industry with a huge black mark. That the filth and decadence said about porn is true.

[gaybucks_chip]

Our scouts usually get the question very early on from prospective models as to whether they are expected to have sex with the director/producer/owner. We point to our philosophy statement (www.boyfunk.com/philosophy.html) which is on all of our sites, but sometimes even that isn't enough to reassure the models.

The agreement that models sign before they come out to work with us further spells out that the models will not have inappropriate touching, flirting, propositions, etc from us, our staff, employees, contractors, or scouts, and that if they experience any such behavior, they must report it to us immediately. We've dumped scouts and production staff for breaking the rules. And even with that language, people are still concerned, because of other experiences they have had.

I am really appalled about how many pretty well known studios/websites (including the one Dean mentioned, who, in fact, has posted on this board) do this sort of shit, sometimes while claiming to be everyone's friend and an upstanding organization.

AJ and I are talking about setting up a resource site for prospective models to basically tell them what is and is not appropriate in the industry, what to watch out for, what sort of scams are out there. It wouldn't be a moneymaker, just an information resource. Perhaps if there's a place where people can find unbiased articles and information on how things are SUPPOSED to work, the guilty parties will have less opportunity to pull this crap.

Granted, the model in question should simply have said no, but the power dynamics are often uneven in a way that the model may not feel comfortable doing that, or may desperately need the job and be willing. If there's a mechanism to disseminate that this sort of behavior is inappropriate, models will have a better leg to stand on in saying "No, go away."

[Lee]

Let me be the first to ask who we're talking about as they have posted on GWW in the past, if you dont want to shame them publicly feel free to PM me their name

Regards,

Lee

[IdolKnights]

AJ and I are talking about setting up a resource site for prospective models to basically tell them what is and is not appropriate in the industry, what to watch out for, what sort of scams are out there. It wouldn't be a moneymaker, just an information resource. Perhaps if there's a place where people can find unbiased articles and information on how things are SUPPOSED to work

Please let me know if I can be of any help

[citiboyz]

Our scouts usually get the question very early on from prospective models as to whether they are expected to have sex with the director/producer/owner.

No offense, Chip, but that's probably because you're using scouts. I think most models are wise to the internet predators and club predators out there who call themselves "scouts". I have enough horror stories to fill a book, and frankly I haven't met a single "scout" in my career who wasn't a fraud. Our best scouts are our models themselves.

And I'd like to know what studio Dean was talking about, too. Inquiring minds want to know.

[SPACE GLIDER]

Hypothetically speaking of course but I want to know your opinions about something.

What if you were casting models and a 21 year old want-to-be in porn guy asked if he had to fuck the director of the video for an audtion? AND What if he went on to explain how the last time he wanted to do porn he had to do that? AND what if, not only did 2 guys (one being the director) fucked him on the audtion, but also did so bareback? And what if then they told him basically that he wasn't good enough and to be in porn and that he was free to go?

How would you feel about the company? the director?

In my opinion, it is absolutely unacceptable behavior. I know the guy wasn't drugged, but a 20 year old guy (how old he hypothetically was at the time of the incident) trying to do porn, having no real idea how it works, gets basically conned in to a bare back fuck fest for the directors pleasure, then gets to be made to feel like a piece of used meat, when he wasn't a good enough fuck to get in the video.

Call me naive, but I'm surprised that stuff goes on. i don't know WHY though. Seems like the perfect set up for something nefaious like that

[samebb]

Some UK based models who i am friendly with, have started a message board (forum) for other models. Its actually taking off pretty fast. It seems to be the same old story with UK producers to, minus a couple of upstanding ones. The worrying thing is, these models are posting about their experiences with certain companies, and it shocks me to see that the bigger companies, are they ones taking advantage of models.

Yes, its very bad for somebody to run a company in this way, however i think its getting to a point where models are wising up. I can say a lot of companies have lost models due to this small model board im talking about, and i wouldnt be suprised if in the near future this kind of model communication becomes more common and the bad guy gets routed out.

And again, its not a US company, but EVERYONE here probably resells for them, but i know and have seen these practices happening.

The OWNER of a large sponsor told a model he would not be PAID if the would not have sex with him. It actually sickened me when i found out.

[citiboyz]

Some UK based models who i am friendly with, have started a message board (forum) for other models. Its actually taking off pretty fast.

In fact, we do have a message board over here. It's called MySpace! LOL. Seriously, many of our models and those of many other studios have a presence on MySpace, along with many, many aspiring models looking for work. And they do indeed talk to each other and compare notes about anything from rates of pay to ethics. I think it's a good thing. It's already saved a lot of guys from bad situations. Now, while I'm cautious about saying who the bad apples are, I will say that I hear from a lot of guys about who the good apples are, and I'm happy to say that Chip and his Boyfunk gang definitely have a good rep with the boys.

[gaybucks_chip]

No offense, Chip, but that's probably because you're using scouts.

Actually, I agree with you... I posted some time ago about a bogus modeling scout we used to use who was guilty of exactly what you said. Our current scouts are all either models or people personally known to us, and we're very clear about boundaries for anyone who is representing our name in any way. When we've talked to other guys who wanted to scout for us, as soon as we mentioned our strict policies, suddenly their interest in scouting for us seems to evaporate

Nonetheless, I have multiple reports from models on at least four or five studios/webmasters, all of which would be names that people here would at least recognize, where the studio owners apparently have sex with their models. None of the cases are as egregious as Dean describes but still in my book inappropriate.

For the record, I have never heard anything negative in this regard about anyone who has posted in this thread thus far.