Tell me why I not making any thing big?? Is it that gay sites are over with and only the very old get the hits. What can I do to make it in this business
Tell me why I not making any thing big?? Is it that gay sites are over with and only the very old get the hits. What can I do to make it in this business
a little more info on you and what you do in the industry would probably help. gay is far from dead, although just like with the str8 market, niche often helps conversions.
Well I am a producer and Director I create videos and do photo shoots. My sites are badboysfilms.com, my search engine is gayscrub.com my blog is gaymensblog.com and my tgp site is men4porn.com and my streaming video is 3pigvideos.com. BadBoysFilms.com has a great affiliate program for webmasters. So what else can I tell you other than It cost more to run then it makes. Thousands on videos. The sites are no older than a few months and the first came online in Oct 06. I getting through out all the sites about 50,000 users a month viewing my sites and BadBoysFilms.com has the highest traffic. But the others are gaining for sure, as they all link to each other. Each site offers plenty of user goodies so not sure why its not doing more.Originally Posted by basschick
sounds like
a. you are trying to do too much without understanding the industry.
b. you are using badpuppy as a processor, so you are giving away a lot of your income. if you have no money, use verotel.
c. using ccbill, epoch or verotel, you have SO much more to offer potential affiliates. you can't offer a great affiliate program with badpuppy because you can't offer the industry standard of 50%. what's more, you won't make 50% when affiliates send traffic.
d. your tour is not good on several levels. perhaps you need to simplify! also anyone in ie will need to click the buttons on the left once to activate but when they don't work the first time, you'll lose a lot of your surfers.
Well you can't just launch a site and expect to get rich overnight! Start-up costs are very high, as you know. It may take a lot longer before you are in the green.
But Someone on the news said Porno is a $9bil. a year industry...
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=first came online in Oct 06
Stop watching the news and reading fluff "get rich over night" e-mails.
Be Who You Are!
b. you are using badpuppy as a processor, so you are giving away a lot of your income. if you have no money, use verotel.
I disagree.
The % I pay to BP to host our 3 gay member-based sites is well worth every fraction of the cost. I love that our retention is tight and that they do a TON of outside advertizing.
You see, anything that saves me paperwork, gives access to my members to ALL the 100+ BP Contributors, sends internal, super-filtered traffic, who charged back under $100 in `06 and has a TOS that keeps us WELL above US law ...
Well!
I say that's a farkin' BlueLight Special.
Maybe this young man has enough content to carry a non-network site, but my advice would be to connect up with Lisa at BP and have a lil chat. BP is also a big presence at the right events, which shows me a robust company, and it is a pleasure to work with such an a honest and hard werkin' crew!
:bunny:
You have to build on your success. Know what makes you money first then do a paysite. Trial and error. It's part of the process. There is no formula to follow and getting in this game is a real gamble
More specifically, Badboyfilms doesn't really seem to have the edge that it implies. The guys are hot ! Yes, but a surfer needs to know why they are "bad". Take a look at DirtyBoyVideo.com. They've got that edge going for them. You definitely have the content, you just need to give it that edge surfers are craving.
Artist/Painter and Webmaster of Huskyhunks.com.
Plus, and I don't mean to start a flame war here, but your gaymensblog.com is stealing content from QueerClick. That's in poor taste, even if you're using QC's affiliate links. Do something original and you'll gain an audience -- and make some money.
Sorry, I'm just going to vomit out some ideas as they pop into my head.
Your site's top banner is smooshed. It looks out of proportion.
The red lettering on grey is really hard to read.
What the hell is COPA? (I jest, but isn't that dead? A 2257 link is enough I think)
Get rid of all of this: "With your Bad Boys Films membership you'll have access to the Hot Male Models, Videos of gay mane, photos of nude men and the hottest Gay content on the planet, including multiple xxx live sex feeds, Gay solo and hardcore photos including hunks, twinks, porn stars, amateurs, jocks, latinos, european, fetish, asians, nude men, nude straight men, nude amateur men, amateur straight men, original movies, original gay movies, gay mpeg, original mpeg, streaming video, original, male, hung, muscular, amateur, masturbation, seduced straight guys, seduced straight blacks, thugs, big dicks, anal sex, blow jobs, oral sex, sucking, rimming, cum shots, gay personals and Gay streaming videos and video clip files featuring all of the above as well. Enjoy our homo content for your queer eyes, even you straight guys, straight girls and lesbians are welcome here at Bad Boys Films too."
It's too spammy. Rewrite the text so it doesn't sound like you're trying to spam traffic from search engines. It's not helping you at all in that regard so your might as well rewrite it.
Why the Free Speech buttons? It's just more clutter. Are they sending you traffic? Surfer's don't care that you're a member.
Purple on grey is even harder to read than red on grey.
"Our Latest Models" and like-minded banners don't look clear. In a surfer's mind -- if you can't get the graphics on the tour pages looking good, then the content inside probably isn't very good either.
Badpuppy has been around for a long time and while it may hold appeal for some people, a lot of people have already had a membership and may not be interested in doing so again. So, it can be working against you. It's not impossible, you'll just have to push harder in the tour to make your site sound like a must have.
With these you're spamming search engines:
<title>BadBoysFilms.com - Hot Male Models, Videos of gay men, straight, bi-curious, bisexual, gay amateur men, photos of nude men
<meta name="Description" content="BadBoysFilms.com - Bad Boys Films Hot Male Models 100% Exclusive Content Hardcore featuring Videos of gay men straight, bi-curious, bisexual, and gay amateur men, photos of nude men
<META name="keywords" content="naked men, gay men, Hot Male Models, Videos of gay, nude men, gay amateur men, photos of nude men, badpuppy, gay guys, big dicks, hardcore, anal sex, twinks, blowjobs, oral sex, foot fetish, men4men, queer, cum, cumshots, rimming, gay personals, fetish, 69
Choose a concise title and put your site's name last, people are searching for Hot Male Models before BadBoysFilms.
you've got too many keywords in your meta tag, only include kw that actually appear as text on the page.
be more concise with your description tag.
You seem to have a problem resizing you're preview pictures. It looks like you have not resized vertically and horizontally in proportion. In Photoshop holding down the control key while resize the pic will keep things in proportion.
It seems to me like you're trying to use a lot of cool graphics like gradient borders, bevelled buttons etc, but they're not effectively executed. I'd just go for plain backgrounds and simple buttons, it'll make things look so much more appealing and clear.
Your colour choices aren't consistent either. On the Model's pages you have orange text, blue text, red text, and black text and all on top of a gradient background. It's too hard to read.
I think you have a pretty good product, it's just not displayed very well.
In my opinion, dump the TGP stuff. Don't waste your time. I tried getting into that market. It takes too much work to figure out how to work it and make money. After a few months of not doing very much or very well, I'm going to close submissions, fill my TGP with FHGs and use it as a 404 dumping ground. I don't have time to figure out how to make the TGP market work for me. I believe it's probably do-able if you have the time, but you need to pick your projects.
If you want some help, send me a PM and I'll shoot you some links. I'm the king of boxy, monochromatic design. Pictures and text are mostly what I use, and while I'm sure they're not everyone's cup of tea here, they're working for me. I'm happy to help.
Cheers
Michael
simple sites that get the message across:
www.uknakedmen.com
www.barebackmasters.com
they get their message across, they display their content well, their sites look clean and well orgnized and they do it without heavy graphics or gradients.
Not sure I would say this guys using heavy graphics or gradients that’s for sure, the sites looks amateurish to me like he just took some of those Live Cam images we see around then created a tour with them.
Our styles are very different, so for you point of view this might be true I guess, but I would advise this guy to learn to be an affiliate first. After you learn how to get traffic and make sales for some of the better sites around, then and only them would I open a members site. Bass is right, BP sucks get Verotel if you want to come out and play at all, BP is just one step above AVS, and your wasting the marketing you are doing for your site every time you send viewers to a BP gateway.
Sorry I had to add this, I know the guy that created this site is around, http://www.barebackmasters.com/tour1.html but WTF, 2 of the tour pages are the same thing, and the others look like they where created over a long weekend or something. I know I must be missing something here, Bass is the best its just that sites that can be created with a free site builder are not my thing. Maybe the success of sites like this has more to do with SE raking issues that I am not very good at, but that’s all I can see other than the content itself that could possibly work. :fucked:
If anyone wants to help me with SE optimizing I am always open to learn more about that. :heartu:
right now the pages have the same text but all the episodes on each page are different. the surfers click to the episodes and each episode has all sorts of descriptive text which is good for search engines.
and the simplicity was my point. you don't need a huge budget or lots of design experience for something like this and it's organized.
I do get your point Bass and your are right as usual, but the home page and movie page are the exact same as far as I can tell, why not offer a different home page? Am I missing something here? I do like all the text god knows that’s a bitch, and I do like how they break down the scenes. I can see how this site could work well with SE’s, just looks sloppy I guess.
I am really not good at the SE crap this is my weakest area, well maybe text itself would have to be up their too, its just hard to put my mind around sites like this. :fucked:
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