outrageous law suit

**A_DeAngelo** · 01-22-2007, 12:55 PM

this is an outrage! - what an enormous waste of time and energy not to mention resources... Weinstein needs to be stopped - he has gone too far this time!

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070121/lasu002.html?.v=2

**XXXWriterDude** · 01-22-2007, 02:30 PM

Which ads are they talking about, and how specifically have they led to the spread of HIV and other STDs? Weird...

**Lee** · 01-22-2007, 02:41 PM

This isnt the first time, i beleive the same group sued a year or two back also for a similar thing although the name of the company they sued escapes me at the present time.

Regards,

Lee

**A_DeAngelo** · 01-22-2007, 03:06 PM

in short, Mr. Weinstein argues that the use of erectile enhancement drugs, such as viagra, stimulate promiscuity among men who have sex with men, which leads to crystal meth thus leading to HIV infection, etc. etc....

The man is off target and has launched several negative ad campaigns throughout the country that have enraged various HIV/AIDS groups and medical professionals

our group has been fighting to stop is rant from the position of power he has assumed through the AHF or AIDS HEALTHCARE FOUNDATION

He is wasting valuable non-profit assets

robin · 01-22-2007, 06:17 PM

I saw that yesterday and wasn't sure whether to laugh or shake my head.

**basschick** · 01-22-2007, 06:57 PM

it's mindboggling. i keep typing things and then starting over because it's so insane.

**XXXWriterDude** · 01-22-2007, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by A_DeAngelo

in short, Mr. Weinstein argues that the use of erectile enhancement drugs, such as viagra, stimulate promiscuity among men who have sex with men, which leads to crystal meth thus leading to HIV infection, etc. etc....

Well, I don't know about all this, but I do know this: Viagra makes me REALLY horny! LOL!

**gaybucks_chip** · 01-22-2007, 07:53 PM

If I understand correctly, the argument is that Pfizer is, through these ads, marketing Viagra as a "lifestyle" drug, in a class similar to illegal drugs, rather than a drug to treat a medical condition.

Which, Pfizer's denials to the contrary, is absolutely true. Viagra when it was first introduced was sold as an "erectile dysfunction" (another name for impotence) treatment. My guess is that Pfizer figured out that there weren't enough impotent people around to make the sales numbers they wanted, so they repositioned their marketing to sell it as something that will make sex better.

Now... I think that the argument being made is pretty thin. Essentially, I think they're arguing that encouraging people to use Viagra to enhance sex is encouraging sexual behavior, which inherently encourages unsafe sexual behavior. THAT argument is bullshit.

Some of our models, none of whom have erectile dysfunction, have told us that Viagra and Cialis do give them more intense erections, and do enhance sexual pleasure, so it's obvious that the drug has a place as a sexual enhancement. But FDA hasn't approved its sale for that purpose, and I think that's the argument that AHF is using.

I agree with Tony, it's a huge waste of nonprofit resources. If they really want to do something to curb HIV, they need to decrease the availability of crystal meth. I've heard from a lot of people that Tina does, in fact, cause or encourage you to throw your responsibility out the window and just have sex, and it seems a lot of the guys with HIV claim to have done meth and then gone on a sexual frenzy. No firsthand experience, so I can't say, but I've heard that enough times to assume there must be some truth.

**basschick** · 01-22-2007, 08:27 PM

all but one of my friends who are positive were doing crystal when they decided to have unprotected sex

**Lee** · 01-22-2007, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by gaybucks_chip

Essentially, I think they're arguing that encouraging people to use Viagra to enhance sex is encouraging sexual behavior, which inherently encourages unsafe sexual behavior. THAT argument is bullshit.

However....

Viagra and Cialis commercials on TV that i have seen do in fact allude to the fact that men with ED can have a more 'active' sex life and i would presume that these ads dont state they shouldnt be used as a stimulant for non-medical purposes so im guessing, even though this case is BS, this is where the case will be won.

Remember a few years back...

McDonalds didnt have a label on their coffee cups 'waring contents may be hot' these cups were ONLY used for hot coffee, they lost the lawsuit and now all coffee cups have a 'hot' warning on them.

Regards,

Lee

**Jasun** · 01-22-2007, 08:50 PM

I'll say this...

I've known a few guys who have been on every recreational drug going and it kills their boner. they take Viagra to try to coounteract that.

They then have had unprotected sex because of their drug induced state

Now, having bareback sex with people you don't know is stupid... it's their problem.

But I think that promoting Viagra as a recreational drug is pretty irresponsible.

**A_DeAngelo** · 01-23-2007, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by Jasun

I'll say this...

I've known a few guys who have been on every recreational drug going and it kills their boner. they take Viagra to try to coounteract that.

They then have had unprotected sex because of their drug induced state

Now, having bareback sex with people you don't know is stupid... it's their problem.

But I think that promoting Viagra as a recreational drug is pretty irresponsible.

yeah? and good luck with Viagra working to counter most party drugs - can't do - doesn't work to counter the negative effects of crystal...

this story is truly amazing and is unfolding as I write - woah! this is BIG and ultra stupid (in my opinion - which of course, I reserve the right to change at any time!) - this has really ruffled a lot of feathers and should be interesting to see how it all plays out - is most definately not going over well in NY, SF and LA