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    WTF? Another Bill Going Through The House...

    A forthcoming bill in the U.S. Senate lays the groundwork for a national database of illegal images that Internet service providers would use to automatically flag and report suspicious content to police.

    The proposal, which Sen. John McCain is planning to introduce on Wednesday, also would require ISPs and perhaps some Web sites to alert the government of any illegal images of real or "cartoon" minors. Failure to do would be punished by criminal penalties including fines of up to $300,000.

    The Arizona Republican claims that his proposal, a draft of which was obtained by CNET News.com, will aid in investigations of child pornographers. It will "enhance the current system for Internet service providers to report online child pornography on their systems, making the failure to report child pornography a federal crime," a statement from his office said.

    To announce his proposal, McCain has scheduled an afternoon press conference on Capitol Hill with Sen. Chuck Schumer, a New York Democrat; John Walsh, host of America's Most Wanted; and Lauren Nelson, who holds the title of Miss America 2007.

    Civil libertarians worry that the proposed legislation goes too far and could impose unreasonable burdens on anyone subject to the new regulations. And Internet companies worry about the compliance costs and argue that an existing law that requires reporting of illicit images is sufficient.

    The Securing Adolescents from Exploitation-Online Act (PDF) states ISPs that obtain "actual knowledge" of illegal images must make an exhaustive report including the date, time, offending content, any personal information about the user, and his Internet Protocol address. That report is sent to local or federal police by way of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. The center received $32.6 million in tax dollars in 2005, according to its financial disclosure documents.

    Afterward, the center is authorized to compile that information into a form that can be sent back to ISPs and used to assemble a database of "unique identification numbers generated from the data contained in the image file." That could be a unique ID created by a hash function, which yields something akin to a digital fingerprint of a file.

    Details on how the system would work are missing from McCain's legislation and are left to the center and ISPs. But one method would include ISPs automatically scanning e-mail and instant messaging attachments and flagging any matches.

    The so-called SAFE Act is revised from an earlier version (PDF) that McCain introduced in December.

    Instead of specifying that all commercial Web sites and personal blogs must report illegal images, the requirement has been narrowed. Now, anyone offering a "service which provides to users thereof the ability to send or receive wire or electronic communications" must comply.

    Most courts have interpreted that language to apply only to ISPs. But it could be interpreted as sweeping in instant messaging providers and Web-based e-mail systems like Microsoft's Hotmail and Yahoo Mail. A 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals opinion that dealt with an airline reservation system, for instance, concluded that "American, through Sabre, is a provider of wire or electronic communication service."

    The list of offenses that must be reported includes child exploitation, selling a minor for sexual purposes and using "misleading" domain names to trick someone into viewing illegal material. It also covers obscene images of minors including ones in a "drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting." (The language warns that it is not necessary "that the minor depicted actually exist.")

    ISPs are already required under federal law to report child pornography sightings. Current law includes fines of up to $300,000 but no criminal liability.

    Another section of the draft bill says that anyone convicted of certain child exploitation-related offenses who also used the "Internet to commit the violation" will get an extra 10 years in prison.

    That would dramatically raise sentences for a whole swath of crimes that do not involve adults having sex with minors. The Justice Department, for instance, indicted an Alabama man in November on child pornography charges because he took modeling photographs of clothed minors with their parents' consent and posted them online. The images were overly "provocative" and therefore illegal, a federal prosecutor asserted.

    Marv Johnson, a legislative counsel with the American Civil Liberties Union, said the extra 10 years in prison was an odd requirement because the Internet is not inherently dangerous like a firearm. Rather, he said, the bill proposes to punish someone for using a perfectly legal item or service in an illegal way.

    "It would be like punishing someone additionally for driving a car in the commission of an offense," Johnson said.

    The proposed SAFE Act is not related to the 2003 SAFE Act, which stood for Security and Freedom Ensured Act, the 1997 SAFE Act, which stood for Security and Freedom Through Encryption, or the 1998 SAFE Act, which stood for Safety Advancement for Employees.

    http://news.com.com/Senator+to+propo...3-6156976.html

    So basically, if you dont report what you think *might* be illegal content on a website, you can get fined $300,000 or end up in jail.

    What is it with these Senators who know nothing about the interweb pushing all of these web related bills through lately?

    Whilst im all for protecting children and reporting CP to the authorities, its common sense that should be done, but at the same time, i dont want anyone 'scanning' my email messages that has no right to see the contents of them, thats a violation of my privacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    Afterward, the center is authorized to compile that information into a form that can be sent back to ISPs and used to assemble a database of "unique identification numbers generated from the data contained in the image file." That could be a unique ID created by a hash function, which yields something akin to a digital fingerprint of a file.

    Details on how the system would work are missing from McCain's legislation and are left to the center and ISPs. But one method would include ISPs automatically scanning e-mail and instant messaging attachments and flagging any matches.
    It sounds like their plan is to create a database of known CP images, and then special software will scan internet traffic to see who is sending or receiving any of it. Intriguing, but this has to be illegal. They can't tap phone lines without reason and use software to flag people for saying certain phrases. This is basically the same thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    Another section of the draft bill says that anyone convicted of certain child exploitation-related offenses who also used the "Internet to commit the violation" will get an extra 10 years in prison.
    OH MY GOD!!! He used a COMPUTER to do it!!
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    Would that make any news website that ran photographs of Jean Bonet Ramsey viable for jail time?
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    I think i admire what their trying to do, i mean companies like isps should report cp whenever they find it. This seems mad though. Does it mean they will need to search for it? If so thats a cost thats very unfair. Its the fbi's job to find criminals not the isps. On the other hand knowing about child abuse and not reporting it for whatever reason seems bad to me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by marcjacob View Post
    I think i admire what their trying to do, i mean companies like isps should report cp whenever they find it. This seems mad though. Does it mean they will need to search for it? If so thats a cost thats very unfair. Its the fbi's job to find criminals not the isps. On the other hand knowing about child abuse and not reporting it for whatever reason seems bad to me.
    I agree that the ISPs should be reporting cp, in fact, anyone who ever sees it should report it. Just as long as they're not reporting 20 year old twinks at the same time.
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    i don't admire it - it's grandstanding for an election. this would have a LOT of isps reporting - to the cost of their time and worry and our tax dollars - TONS of content featuring models like jeremiah from maxpixels and twink star sammy case.

    this would cause a great burden on the isp's and tons of inspections initially on legit webmasters. isp's aren't supposed to be the police and there's already a law in place that says everyone must report cp if they find it. what happens if an isp sees an image that looks fine to them and it's a girl who's late 16 years old? also, at 5 agents per inspection, this could cost the u.s. many millions of ineffective tax dollars.

    Quote Originally Posted by marcjacob View Post
    I think i admire what their trying to do, i mean companies like isps should report cp whenever they find it. This seems mad though. Does it mean they will need to search for it? If so thats a cost thats very unfair. Its the fbi's job to find criminals not the isps. On the other hand knowing about child abuse and not reporting it for whatever reason seems bad to me.


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    Oy vey.. talk about taking a political hot potato and making it au gratin!

    It sounds to me like the Republicans, who can't seem to find a way to get us out of the escalating mess they got us into in Iraq, are trying to capitalize on, not to mention heighten, the public's hyper concern over the exploitation of children.

    McCain is a sell-out, that's for sure. He used to be a rebel, now he's just a shill, and he's helping to fan the faux flames that Alberto Gonzales created solely on the basis that it elicits a reaction from well-meaning Congressmen who are too busy to ever look these propositions over carefully. Pass the rubber stamp to the next seat, please...

    Frankly I think that this whole thing is only going to create more of a problem than there already is insofar as CP is concerned. The war on drugs has only exacerbated the problem of drug abuse in this country. The war on terrorism has only made the world more unsafe. Now this... they've managed to turn a relative non-problem into a huge problem for anyone involved in the internet.

    It seems simple, but perhaps if parents watched their children more closely, the pervs living down the street from them might not have the opportunity to take salacious photos of their offspring... The answer isn't making the internet into a police state. The answer is more likely to be encouraging one parent per family to become a stay-at-home parent so they might more closely monitor their progeny as was customary forty plus years ago in this country.

    Frankly, I wish they'd focus all that misspent energy on ridding the internet of invasive and malicious spyware. I don't think McCain or any of his rubber-stamping mates are going to win an election based on this.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BarebackJack View Post
    McCain is a sell-out, that's for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BarebackJack View Post
    Oy vey.. talk about taking a political hot potato and making it au gratin!

    It sounds to me like the Republicans, who can't seem to find a way to get us out of the escalating mess they got us into in Iraq, are trying to capitalize on, not to mention heighten, the public's hyper concern over the exploitation of children.
    I think this is an inaccurate analysis. The bill in question here is co written by Senator Charles Shumer (D- NY) who, amongst other things just finished his 2 year stint as Chair of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, and he's now vice-chair of the Senate Democratic Caucus. He's highly ambitious, and is a steady reliable voice for Democrats that have consistently opposed President Bush.

    And he's the co-sponsor of this bill, which means he co authored it with McCain.

    Why do people cherry pick political villians? And worse, the conclusion that Senator McCain and Republicans are the cause of all evil is inaccurate. As we see here, if they stopped this, there would be the Democratic leadership as well moving these exact same bills. The truth is - its an election year, and ambitious politicians are trying to build up currency.... or as BassChick says it's grandstanding.

    A small problem.

    I'll say again --- considering all the news channels and historically huge number of channels to commicate messages... it's really a shame that our industry does not even try making the public case on the harms of this bill. This happens time and time again, and bills like this will always pass because there is absoultely no organziation... or even attempt... to articulate why bills like this are bad.

    And Mary Carey appearing infrequently on Larry King is not enough. And a scorned rant op-ed in AVN is not enough either.

    Steve


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