How Did We Miss This From All The Entitlement Threads...

[Lee]

What are surfers entitled to?

I know there is a great deal of debate about this, especially when it comes to topics such as DRM and password sharing.

I can also fully appreciate why surfers feel duped when sites implement DRM on their content downloads that render the movies useless once a surfer cancels their membership and how that could potentially drive them to try out the password/file sharing services instead of joining membership sites.

So in your opinion, what do you think surfers are entitled to when it comes to the adult industry and the sites we build for them?

Regards,

Lee

[wnc]

LEE... please. So many threads recently created by you.

This has to be the least in value to GWW... SURFERS or pending SPENDERS?

[Lee]

Ive started 6 threads today, and they were ALL business related with 1 exception in the Webmaster Fun forum LOL

Compare that to some other boards where its only their employees starting the threads about hair color, cock sizes, what you had for lunch, etc

Regards,

Lee

[Alex_Manifest_M]

Regarding membership sites, I believe that surfers are entitled to view the videos only for the time during which their membership is active. If you went into Blockbuster and complained that you had to problems copying the movie to your hardrive when you got home, they would laugh you out of the store. While it may be an uphill battle, but until we respect and protect our very expensive to produce content which we make available for rental and sell our content at a very reasonable price we are fighting a real battle.

[Alex_Manifest_M]

ps. I am an unnatural blonde.

[basschick]

are we talking what are SURFERS entitled to or what are MEMBERS entitled to? i see a huge difference there.

and SHAME on you, Lee, starting threads on your own board

[mickey]

Regarding membership sites, I believe that surfers are entitled to view the videos only for the time during which their membership is active. If you went into Blockbuster and complained that you had to problems copying the movie to your hardrive when you got home, they would laugh you out of the store. While it may be an uphill battle, but until we respect and protect our very expensive to produce content which we make available for rental and sell our content at a very reasonable price we are fighting a real battle.

i must say i agree with you on this one but the problem is that there isnt really any good method to do this ..

streams can be ripped, drm can be stripped and well basically we are fucked on this one - or did i miss something ?

[Alex_Manifest_M]

... once a surfer cancels their membership

Sounds like members to me. If you mean surfing potential members, then they are entitled to nothing more or less than the honest representation of the material behind the golden door.

[Ethan Masters]

My opinion is no matter what technology you implement onto your site, it should all be spelled out in a Terms of Service or something that is easily accessible to your members so they know ahead of time exactly what they have access to, for how long, and what happens after they cancel.

Members of paysites have gotten into this routine that they can join a site, strip it of all of their content onto their hard drives, and then cancel and still enjoy the content, which is fine, that's how it's always worked. Well when sites implement new technology which adds DRM or disables right clicking, the member gets pissed. His rights to have this porn have been violated, it's not fair, it's not right, give me my porn...

As far as DRM goes, you don't have to have an active membership to watch them, you just need an active membership in order to "register" them to your computer. Once you register them, that license is good til you reformat or what not. Either way, i don't think it's wrong to protect your content on your site, just as long as it's communicated in a clear way to people before they purchase your product.

[Dzinerbear]

Seems to me this industry is suffering a bit from the Law of Attraction. If you put up a tour with a guy shoving a Coke bottle up his ass and you say, "thousands of pics," then the implication is that there are thousands of pics of guys shoving Coke bottle up their ass. If the surfer doesn't get them they feel ripped off.

If you offer a $3.95 3-day tour and don't say it's for a limited part of the site, and the surfer needs to upgrade once inside to see more than a handful of videos, then the surfer feels ripped off.

If you say the biggest, the most, the hottest, the horniest, etc, then you'd better deliver.

It seems to me that a good part of this industry is run on deception, some would call it creative marketing, but whatever you call it, if you steal from people they will steal from you. Now, I'm not saying everyone in this Industry steals from or lies to surfers, but we are all a part of a larger industry that does. I read reviews of sites and movies that reviewers say are the hottest thing since a summer blackout in New York City, and I think, "Did I see the same movie? It was crap."

To use the Blockbuster analogy, if a customer rented a movie from Blockbuster and 20 minutes into the movie the screen froze and they were asked to call a toll-free number and purchase the rest of the movie, they'd scream bloody murder. If they rented a movie with Cameron Diaz on the cover and she wasn't in the movie, they'd be pissed. If they rented the movie, but then a month later their card was billed for a Jennifer Lopez movie they didn't know they were renting at the time, they'd be pissed. And if windows kept popping up on the movie trying to get them to buy something else, they'd hurl their DVD player out the window.

It seems to me the surfers and members treat online porn exactly as they have been treated, maybe not by you, but by many people in this business. So they have come to expect a lot for their $24.95, and in fact, they'd prefer not to pay it at all.

Cheers,
Michael

P.S. I'm bald and don't have a big cock.