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    GayVN Retreat Roundup

    Here is my blog entry about my trip to LA. Click the link for pictures.

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    I just got back from a gay porn industry event in LA, the Gay Webmaster Retreat, put on by GayVN. As I think back over the weekend, it was one of those "only in LA" experiences.

    First, the event was all about PORN. Porn and Hollywood go hand in hand, plus it took place at the Hollywood Renaissance Hotel, which is connected to the Kodak Center at Hollywood and Vine. (The Kodak Theater is where they hold the Oscars, right next to Graumann's Chinese Theater and across from where they tape the Jimmy Kimmel Show.) The Kodak Center is actually a shopping mall, and since the conventioneers didn't have much time to run around, all our meals and parties took place at the mall. So when people ask me about my LA trip this week, I can just say, "I spent the entire trip at the mall." (Very LA.)

    The GayVN Retreat was the first time I had an opportunity to be a panelist at one of the seminars. The topic was Online Piracy, which isn't my specialty, but I was able to wing it. I got complimented for bringing the conversation back to reality when the two straight guys on the panel went off on tangents about topics that only apply to much bigger companies than were represented in the audience.

    It was the next day, though, that I dropped a bomb at the seminars. During the State of The Industry Seminar, three of the panelists were straight guys from credit card processing companies. Neither of them had any clue about what was actually happening in the gay side of the industry. When I dropped the bomb about bringing up the topic of barebacking, one of the clueless straight guys (wearing a diamond watchband...) had to ask another panelist what "barebacking" was. From the moment that seminar ended, I was bombarded with questions, comments and feedback about barebacking for the rest of the trip! (The text of the flyer I handed out about barebacking, "Sister Zsa Zsa's Epistle to the Gay Porn Industry", can be found here.)

    My point in bringing up the topic is that it is such a hotly debated topic that no one wants to talk about! There will be much more to say about barebacking later.

    Since it was close to Halloween, some of the locals showed up at night in costume. To our queer eyes, it was evident that the Halloween costumes all came from a mall. And it makes sense. If you go to a mall on a Saturday night to party, you'd probably buy your Halloween costume from a mall, too.

    gay pornWhenever I go to LA, I always make a point of finding at least one celebrity. Besides the gay porn stars (like Johnny Castle!), there was a promo event in the mall for the new season of Nip / Tuck, that will now take place in LA. They also put a fake office of McNamara/Troy in the mall and hired an actress to sit in the lobby and pretend to make phone calls.

    If you don't know about the FX show, Nip /Tuck, let's first quote Parents Television Council who considers Nip/Tuck ''one of the most profane, sexually explicit and violent shows in the history of television''. (See my analogy about porn and Hollywood?) The show is about two sexy plastic surgeons and has had more than a few homoerotic subplots, plus guest appearances by Rosie O'Donnell, Richard Chamberlain (playing a gay sugar daddy), and Joan Rivers (playing herself). It's totally queer and twisted - can't wait to see what happens when they move to LA.

    Near the end of the Friday night party (held in one of the clubs in the mall), a local girl plopped down next to me and started chatting. She's one of those LA hairdressers that really plays the part - big hair, heels and white lipstick. She was proud of calling herself a fag-hag, but I to inform her the more politically correct term is "fruit fly". She also proceeded to tell me the list of cosmetic surgeries she's had - at age 23!

    Saturday night, after the scheduled festivities ended, we headed to West Hollywood to party at the Abbey. I was having fun playing tourist just watching the scene happen in front of me. Didn't have much opportunity to mingle with the locals, though, as no one made eye contact with me. After the bar closed, I walked around to check out more Holloween costumes in front of the afterhours clubs. While standing on the sidelines in front of Rage, the first person to speak to me all night walked up and said, "Aren't you about two decades too old for this?"

    I replied, "Should I leave?" I was so flabbergasted, I didn't hear anything else he said, but it certainly was not a backward pickup line, I think he meant it.

    To recap my LA trip: gay porn, celebrities, plastic surgery, shopping mall, Hollywood, rude people and ageism. I love LA!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LavenderLounge View Post
    The GayVN Retreat was the first time I had an opportunity to be a panelist at one of the seminars. The topic was Online Piracy, which isn't my specialty, but I was able to wing it. I got complimented for bringing the conversation back to reality when the two straight guys on the panel went off on tangents about topics that only apply to much bigger companies than were represented in the audience.
    Funny... I had the feeling that those guys were doing that to keep you and me from being able to speak... that "final thought" from the guy on the end that went on for 5 minutes (in one long run-on sentence without a breath.. I think he was sucking in air through gills or something) to make sure that he got the last word, and that lawyer next to me who was fuming when I said I didn't think he was correct when he was telling everyone that they were going to go out of business if they didn't use DRM. He insisted on getting the last word out and then whispered to me that I needn't worry.. he wasn't going to sue me.

    Anyway.. it was GREAT to see you and I'm glad you were there on my first (and if a few big companies have anything to do with it, last) panel.:high:
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    Sounds like it was as good as it was predicted to be, glad i didnt attend.

    If the show organizers are going to put panels on, they should at least make sure the panelists KNOW about the topics being discussed, otherwise its a case of the blind teaching the blind.

    Sounds like you made the best of a bad situation though Mark :thumbsup:

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    Jasun,

    Good to see you, too. We got our picture taken together, look for it on my blog.
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    Lee,

    Just so you know, I really enjoyed this conference, and what I wrote was just my diary of the weekend, not a review of the conference.

    I actually learned a lot and made a lot of contacts, mostly because I know how the game is played now. It was one of my most beneficial conventions so far.

    The Legal Seminar was really good, too. Chad distributed some excellent sample Model Releases and ID forms.
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    Geez ... was there a conference? That's a lot of money to plunk down to go to the mall.

    I guess you have to be a Californian to understand that review. How about anyone else? Was the conference actually any good?

    Michael


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    I was a tiny bit disappointed in the legal seminar. The most useful information I received was during the brief times that Chad was speaking. Without his inclusion, it would have been best billed as LEGAL RECAP as opposed to anything with useful information.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LavenderLounge View Post
    While standing on the sidelines in front of Rage, the first person to speak to me all night walked up and said, "Aren't you about two decades too old for this?"

    To recap my LA trip: gay porn, celebrities, plastic surgery, shopping mall, Hollywood, rude people and ageism. I love LA!
    Yeah, this is how I feel everytime someone has an event at the Abbey. I don't have self-esteem issues (well, okay, no more than anyone else living in LA who doesn't look like a they should be in an Abecrombe and Fitch ad) but I swear people look at me like "you're old and fat, what are you doing here?"

    Then I go to the Eagle, take my shirt off and suck face with some guy in a dark corner. Tee hee.
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    I had a good time and I did some good business, which is what the show is all about. Thanks to my extremely tight schedule, I wasn't able to show up much and spent most of my time at work. I was glad to have been asked to speak and I'm glad I was able to meet with a few affiliates to get a couple new ones.

    And hey.. I was able to be an asshole at the seminar on stage... that's gotta count for something.
    Jasun Mark. Crass of the Titans.


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    Seminars will always suck until the organizers aren't stuffiing it with their cronies/supporters and getting an ironclad insistence that panelists cannot talk about their own products during the seminar, except perhaps for a brief mention at the beginning and end.

    Likewise, an agenda/outline for each seminar, a moderator who has some idea of the areas of expertise of each speaker on the panel, and strict enforcement of time for each panelist would go a long way toward making the seminars a useful experience.

    There are definitely ways of addressing the issue of panelists pimping their own wares... providing alternative ways/places for the panelists to talk specifically about their products/services, recruiting on basis of knowledge instead of who knows who, that sort of thing.

    When someone actually cares, it will change. Not before then.


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    Actually, it is at Hollywood & Highland, not Vine.

    Hollywood & Highland is the name of the entire renaissance redevelopment that begat the hotel and the new theater... and The Gap store where kids break dance for tourist dollars.

    "it took place at the Hollywood Renaissance Hotel, which is connected to the Kodak Center at Hollywood and Vine. (The Kodak Theater is where they hold"


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    Hollywood and Vine sounds better because we all want to be "discovered" at Schwab's Drug store.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LavenderLounge View Post
    Hollywood and Vine sounds better because we all want to be "discovered" at Schwab's Drug store.
    Except that the original Schwabs is now a Virgin Megastore and the only people who get "discovered" there are guys giving blowjobs in the men's room.

    The Schwabs at Hollywood and Vine was supposed to be a replica of the original but instead it turned out to be some frou frou diner with six overpriced menu items and a staff who was too busy memorizing scripts for their next audition to bring you your food. So it closed shortly after it opened. Now it's just a name on the building so people think it's the original Schwabs and the restaurant is now a sushi place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DonMike View Post
    Except that the original Schwabs is now a Virgin Megastore and the only people who get "discovered" there are guys giving blowjobs in the men's room.

    The Schwabs at Hollywood and Vine was supposed to be a replica of the original but instead it turned out to be some frou frou diner with six overpriced menu items and a staff who was too busy memorizing scripts for their next audition to bring you your food. So it closed shortly after it opened. Now it's just a name on the building so people think it's the original Schwabs and the restaurant is now a sushi place.
    Yes, the original Schwabs was on Sunset & Crescent Heights Blvd.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DonMike View Post
    Except that the original Schwabs is now a Virgin Megastore and the only people who get "discovered" there are guys giving blowjobs in the men's room.

    The Schwabs at Hollywood and Vine was supposed to be a replica of the original but instead it turned out to be some frou frou diner with six overpriced menu items and a staff who was too busy memorizing scripts for their next audition to bring you your food. So it closed shortly after it opened. Now it's just a name on the building so people think it's the original Schwabs and the restaurant is now a sushi place.
    Don Mike, I love you... thanks for reminding me of "Girls Will Be Girls" :-)


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