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    This Is What Dawgy Should Have Done...

    A child pornography suspect cannot be forced to reveal his computer password in order for investigators to access what they believe is illegal content, a Vermont federal judge ruled recently.

    Requiring Sebastien Boucher to divulge his Z drive password "forces him to produce evidence that could be used to incriminate him," U.S. Magistrate Judge Jerome Niedermeier wrote in a Nov. 29 ruling.

    Boucher was arrested in December 2006 when he and his father tried to cross the Canadian border into Vermont. Border officials inspected a laptop Boucher had in his backseat and allegedly found computer files with names that suggested their contents might be child pornography. Boucher told border officials that he sometimes inadvertently downloads child porn files, but deletes them when he realizes what they contain.

    Further inspection of the computer – without the aid of a password - turned up numerous child-porn files and videos, according to border officials. Investigators subsequently shut down Boucher's computer and arrested him. But when the Vermont Department of Corrections tried to access the files later that month, investigators found that the Z drive had been protected by encryption algorithms from Pretty Good Software and was totally inaccessible.

    The only means to access the password was to use an automated program that continually guesses possible password combinations, but that could take years based on similar investigations, according to Niedermeier's ruling.

    The grand jury, therefore, subpoenaed Boucher and ordered him to provide the password for his computer files.

    If Boucher reveals his password, however, he's basically admitting that he knows how to access the Z drive, Niedermeier wrote.

    "The procedure is equivalent to asking Boucher, 'Do you know the password to the laptop?'" Niedermeier said. "If Boucher does know the password, he would be faced with the forbidden trilemma: incriminate himself, lie under oath or find himself in contempt of court."

    Niedermeier argued that revealing the password compels Boucher to reveal something in his mind. The government has offered to allow Boucher to unlock his computer without revealing the actual password, but "Boucher would still be implicity indicating that he knows the password and that he has access ot the files," Niedermeier wrote. "The contents of Boucher's mind would still be displayed, and therefore the testimonial nature does not change merely because no one else will discover the password."

    Niedermeier also dismissed the notion that the existence of child pornography on Boucher's computer is a foregone conclusion.

    "While the government has seen some of the files on drive Z, it has not viewed all or even most of them," Niedermeier wrote.

    If Boucher hands over his password, the government will likely uncover the files it has already seen, but also many it has not. The files the government has not seen could further incriminate Boucher, Niedermeier said.

    Furthermore, "the password is not a physical thing," Niedermeier wrote. "The foregone conclusion doctrine does not apply to the production of non-physical evidence."

    http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2704,2236166,00.asp

    Fortunately, he didnt and is now locked up.

    Im in two minds about this ruling actually, on one hand its nice to see the constitution being upheld but at the same time, we're talking about CP.

    What do you folks think about this, should the guy have to hand over his password or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post

    Boucher was arrested in December 2006 when he and his father tried to cross the Canadian border into Vermont. Border officials inspected a laptop Boucher had in his backseat and allegedly found computer files with names that suggested their contents might be child pornography. Boucher told border officials that he sometimes inadvertently downloads child porn files, but deletes them when he realizes what they contain.
    If he got arrested, how did the computer become password protected?

    Lee,

    Some of our laws should be changed when it comes to things like CP. Is that software that good that it can't be cracked? Trust me, if it was a suspected terrorist laptop, it would be cracked in a day.

    Maybe we should spend more of our resources on things like this at home rather than figuring out ways to spy on US citizens phone calls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    What do you folks think about this, should the guy have to hand over his password or not?
    Well pleading the fifth is the right not to incriminate yourself right? So it doesn't seem legal that they should be able to force him to incriminate himself. Whether it be CP accusations, or anything else, the laws should be equally applied to everyone or else you end up with things like "everyone's equal but homosexuals" or "to protect you from 'terrorists' I must take away some of your rights" etc. etc.

    It seems there is a legal way around this that the prosecutors or detectives haven't thought of, or are to lazy to pursue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by abostonboy View Post
    If he got arrested, how did the computer become password protected?
    It was probably on or in standby mode when authorities found it. Then they turned it off.

    Cracking encryption is a matter of computing power. Depending on the key size, it could take millions of years for a single desktop computer to open it with brute force.

    But I would be inclined to think he used a simple passphrase, so a dictionary attack should have been able to open it. I wonder how hard they really tried?
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    I read a technical article on this. Apparently the PGP software can be set to automatically turn off decryption or otherwise lock down the content, without user intervention, if the computer is not accessed for a specific period.

    I'm torn on this, but I think the judge made the right decision. There are already so many erosions and egregious violations of our constitutional rights that we have to draw a line, and honestly, in some cases, it may mean that criminals go free... but we always talk about the costs of defending our freedom, and I believe this is one of those circumstances.


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    I do not think that laws or constitutional protections should be changed because the subject matter is kiddie porn.

    It is my opinion that the accused does not need to provide access to his files. Prosecutors can get a search warrant and try break in but he does not have to give them the keys.
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    Am I the only one a little surprised that customs looks through your laptop's files upon entry to the U.S.? I had no idea this was even possible. Anyone know if it the same when you go from U.S. into Canada?

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    I've found US customs -- at least the secondary inspections people -- to be rude, inconsiderate, and offensive. Based on my own experiences, I get the impression that one has absolutely none of the normal constitutional protections against unreasonable search, the need for probable cause, etc., when one is entering the US.

    I don't actually know that this is true, but from my (admittedly limited) experience, it certainly seems to be the case.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gaybucks_chip View Post
    I've found US customs -- at least the secondary inspections people -- to be rude, inconsiderate, and offensive. Based on my own experiences, I get the impression that one has absolutely none of the normal constitutional protections against unreasonable search, the need for probable cause, etc., when one is entering the US.

    I don't actually know that this is true, but from my (admittedly limited) experience, it certainly seems to be the case.

    You are correct. There are very few constitutional protections at border crossings. You do not have the right to be free from searches and seizures, you do not have the right to free expression, and -- you do not have the right to an attorney.

    You can be stopped, searched, and detained for any reason or no reason, with nobody to protect you.

    I find it is best to be polite and courteous at customs. Of course, I also find the opportunity to mention that I am a former elected district attorney. At that point they usually hand my passport back to me and say, "Welcome back to the United States, Mr. Belville" :humble:
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    Quote Originally Posted by chadknowslaw View Post
    I find it is best to be polite and courteous at customs. Of course, I also find the opportunity to mention that I am a former elected district attorney. At that point they usually hand my passport back to me and say, "Welcome back to the United States, Mr. Belville" :humble:
    Remind me to only make border crossings when you're in my group then....Mr Belville. :curtain:
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