Problems with Hyde Park Productions studio

[kyleyoung89]

Hi all,

I was suggested by some people I talked to to post my experiance with Hyde Park Productions on here, to see if anyone could give some advice..so here it is.

Hello,

I did modelling work for hyde park productions, the film I did was winning the bet for there sub company, dark realm productions. To this date I havn't been paid the money I was owed, and they continue to ignore me.

This is the full story of what happend, I will include chat logs where the promised me money but didnt come thru.


I contacted Hyde Park Productions in october 2007. And we had to talks and they wanted me to fly to Las vegas in January to shoot a movie with them. There were some concerns about me not getting in so I flew in early to arizona, and me and some other models were driven to las vegas. I arrived in Arizona on january 3rd

I did webcam shows with them on January 4th and 5th, selling pairs of underwear, and they said all profits would go to me. I sold 6 pairs, one for 75, one for 35, 3 for 25 and 1 for 20

From january 6th-14th we filmed 2 movies. Frisky Twinks and Winning the bet. I was only in winning the bet. We all drove back to there home in Phoenix, AZ on the 13th. And flew out on the 14th. Winning the bet was filmed for there sub company, dark realm productions.

I was told in the morning of the 14th, that they would pay me within a week, send me 30 copies of the DVD I was in when it was ready to be released as well as send me the pictures taken on set for myself to use. They gave me 100 dollars US before I left saying because of one of the models medical bills and food expenses they were short on cash and couldn't pay the models the full amount. I met one of the models at the airport and he to told me he was givin 100 with the promise of the rest. I don't know if he was paid either.

I was supposed to be paid 250 for my scene, so they owed me 150 for the scene. Plus the money from the webcam shows I did which was 205 dollars . I was also promised 100 bucks for my attempts for 2 scenes for frisky twinks that didnt work out. 50 for each attempt. So in total they were supposed to send me 455 dollars.

It has been almost 2 months since January 14th and I still have not been paid. They never message me back on yahoo, they don't return my phone calls, they don't answer me on aim, they NEVER respond to anything. 3 times in the last 2 months Doug messaged me back, the first 2 promising to talk to Ted and get me my money. The most recent one, on march 9th he said I would have my money on march 11th, its now the 13th.

I just found out they have shipped the DVD`s and they have arrived to customers and the video is available on Video on Demand. So they released it without paying me. I do not know if the other models have been paid or not either.

I also did not have a work visa and I wasn't a US citizen when we filmed the movie, which I just found out is illegal. I am a canadian citizen and a canadian resident.

So yea, thats the story. Here are the chat logs from the 3 times they told me they would pay me.

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This is the first time he messaged me after the shoot, only said a few things though:

lost_boi989 (05/02/2008 12:23:30 AM): 'hello?
lost_boi989 (05/02/2008 12:23:42 AM): how come u havnt talked to me or responded to my messages in like a week>
lost_boi989 (05/02/2008 2:46:27 AM): hello?
Bryan Banks (05/02/2008 4:27:10 AM): hi sorry I was pretty much gone all the last 10 days
Bryan Banks (05/02/2008 4:28:40 AM): I am around now and best time is 3pm-2am to reach me. Yeah, it is 6am now, but I have to go vote in the US election and want to do it now before I crash.
Bryan Banks (05/02/2008 4:28:55 AM): Hope all is going well.
lost_boi989 (05/02/2008 3:41:20 PM): is there some reason why you won't answer my messages or return my phone calls?
lost_boi989 (05/02/2008 4:54:31 PM): u there?
lost_boi989 (05/02/2008 4:54:32 PM): >_<
lost_boi989 (05/02/2008 5:42:16 PM): hello?


This was the next chat where he told me I would get paid.


lost_boi989 (12/02/2008 10:53:00 PM): hey u there?
Bryan Banks (12/02/2008 11:09:54 PM): Hi Kyle
lost_boi989 (12/02/2008 11:10:16 PM):
lost_boi989 (12/02/2008 11:10:21 PM): whatsup
Bryan Banks (12/02/2008 11:10:55 PM): not too much. Just woke about about 2hrs ago. Day is just starting for me
lost_boi989 (12/02/2008 11:11:02 PM): where u been
lost_boi989 (12/02/2008 11:11:12 PM): u and ted dont answer ur messages on yahoo or ur phones >_<
lost_boi989 (12/02/2008 11:11:16 PM): its frustrating
lost_boi989 (12/02/2008 11:11:17 PM):
Bryan Banks (12/02/2008 11:11:57 PM): I have only been around really late at night and early morning been editing so I am not online much at all because it jams up things
lost_boi989 (12/02/2008 11:12:14 PM): ic, is the phone turned off
lost_boi989 (12/02/2008 11:12:15 PM):
Bryan Banks (12/02/2008 11:12:16 PM): Ted should answer if you call
lost_boi989 (12/02/2008 11:12:20 PM): no one does..
lost_boi989 (12/02/2008 11:12:26 PM): i have called alot of times and left lots of messages
lost_boi989 (12/02/2008 11:12:29 PM):
Bryan Banks (12/02/2008 11:13:13 PM): well best time to reach me is midnight to 6 am by phone. I would answer the phone
lost_boi989 (12/02/2008 11:13:28 PM): ive called around then . its cool
lost_boi989 (12/02/2008 11:13:45 PM): but i just wanna know if perhaps u guys can send out the money before the end of this month? and if u figured how much it is total yet?
Bryan Banks (12/02/2008 11:13:48 PM): you calling on my cel # or Teds or the home #Z?
lost_boi989 (12/02/2008 11:13:54 PM): all 3
Bryan Banks (12/02/2008 11:14:12 PM): you calling from a blocked #?
lost_boi989 (12/02/2008 11:14:18 PM): no
Bryan Banks (12/02/2008 11:14:56 PM): yeah, I thought you had been talking to Ted on payment. Well, I will find out on that in the morning.
lost_boi989 (12/02/2008 11:15:06 PM): ah nope
lost_boi989 (12/02/2008 11:15:10 PM): ted refused to talk to me it seems
lost_boi989 (12/02/2008 11:15:27 PM): didnt u say ud talk to him in the morning a few weeks ago?
lost_boi989 (12/02/2008 11:15:33 PM): like i thought u already talked to him
Bryan Banks (12/02/2008 11:16:09 PM): I just edited the scene you were in with the wax and all. Came out nice and Ted your have no issues with you. I thought your scene was the best in my opinion.
lost_boi989 (12/02/2008 11:16:18 PM): heh thanks
Bryan Banks (12/02/2008 11:16:58 PM): I have talked to him a couple weeks ago but he hasn't mentioned you since then. He has been talking to everyone, I just assumed he was chatting with you also.
lost_boi989 (12/02/2008 11:17:07 PM): noperz
lost_boi989 (12/02/2008 11:18:05 PM): can u call me tomorrow when u know? it dosn't matter wut time it is ill answer the phone
lost_boi989 (12/02/2008 11:18:13 PM): or a time when i should be online perhaps?
Bryan Banks (12/02/2008 11:19:16 PM): I will be on tomorrow night about this time or earlier. I'll be up until 8am or so I'll talk to Ted when he wakes up.
lost_boi989 (12/02/2008 11:19:30 PM): cool
lost_boi989 (12/02/2008 11:19:37 PM): u can call me as soon as u know even its its 6am
Bryan Banks (12/02/2008 11:19:45 PM): k
lost_boi989 (12/02/2008 11:19:46 PM): my phone is next to my bed
Bryan Banks (12/02/2008 11:20:17 PM): did you find a new job yet?
lost_boi989 (12/02/2008 11:20:22 PM): no
lost_boi989 (12/02/2008 11:20:31 PM): i had to borrow some cash from friends last month for rent
lost_boi989 (12/02/2008 11:20:37 PM): i need to pay em back asap
lost_boi989 (12/02/2008 11:20:42 PM): i just work part time at a gay bar atm
Bryan Banks (12/02/2008 11:21:38 PM): well, I will wake up you after I talk to Ted.
lost_boi989 (12/02/2008 11:21:51 PM): cool that would be great
lost_boi989 (12/02/2008 11:24:31 PM): ima go to bed now though
lost_boi989 (12/02/2008 11:24:32 PM): ttyl
Bryan Banks (12/02/2008 11:24:52 PM): ok sweet dreams Kyle

So yea, thats was the first time i was promised payment. Doug never called me in the morning, and they continued to ignore me untill the next chat. Here is the last chat I had with him, on march 9th.

lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 6:57:48 PM): so
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 6:57:57 PM): any reason u havnt released or shipped it yet?
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 6:58:16 PM): which u dont have
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 6:58:26 PM): u cant legally release it without paying ur models
Bryan Banks (09/03/2008 7:14:27 PM): you just msg me?
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:14:40 PM): yea
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:14:45 PM): i been calling and messing u forever
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:14:52 PM): u guys have just been ignoring me all the time
Bryan Banks (09/03/2008 7:15:04 PM): ok because it was blank but your name was blinking weird.
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:15:19 PM): ic
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:15:35 PM): but yea, i have found out several things
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:15:41 PM): u cant legally release ur movies or ship them
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:15:45 PM): without paying ur models
Bryan Banks (09/03/2008 7:16:07 PM): who haven't I paid?
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:16:10 PM): ME
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:16:12 PM): god dammit
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:16:20 PM): u guys have been fucking ignoring me for months
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:16:28 PM): u wont answer calls from me
Bryan Banks (09/03/2008 7:16:31 PM): You were in Ted's video. How much is owed to you?
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:16:31 PM): u wont answer yahoo
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:16:39 PM): like 450
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:16:46 PM): the underwear money
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:16:59 PM): plus the money for for filming
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:17:08 PM): plus u said u would pay me for the attempts in ur movie
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:17:34 PM): its been over 2 fucking months since i left
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:17:39 PM): and u said i would be paid within a week
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:17:46 PM): i want my money withing 2 days
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:17:55 PM): western union or money transfer or something
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:18:02 PM): and then i never wanna talk to u guys again
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:18:13 PM): u said u would talk to ted liek 3 weeks ago and call me in the morning
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:18:15 PM): and u never did
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:19:44 PM): all i want is my fucking money
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:19:55 PM): im tired of being ignored
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:20:03 PM): and im not gonna be dicked around by u or ted anymore
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:20:44 PM): I have to go to work now. so i would highly suggest u call me at 778-229-6376 or send me a western union money transfer to me tonite, thru there website
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:20:57 PM): and send me the mtcn thru yahoo
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:21:42 PM): if u pay me we can just leave this alone
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:21:45 PM): and u can do whatever u want
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:22:15 PM): i never wanna talk to u guys again, i want my money that is owed
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:22:19 PM): and i want m y contract cancelled
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:22:26 PM): u can do whatever u want after that
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:22:58 PM): i dont want to do anything brash
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:23:27 PM): send me 450 bucks thru western union tonite, to (address left out for privacy)
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:23:40 PM): and send me the MTCN on yahoo
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:23:52 PM): and u will never hear from me again and u continue whatever u want to do
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:24:17 PM): heres the website
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:24:18 PM): *url removed*
Bryan Banks (09/03/2008 7:24:19 PM): I am not sending $ tonight it is 7:30 on a sunday night geezzzzz
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:24:27 PM): u can send it online
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:24:30 PM): with a credit card
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:24:32 PM): its super easy
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:24:36 PM): or send it in the morning
Bryan Banks (09/03/2008 7:25:16 PM): you have the same email?
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:25:20 PM): yes
Bryan Banks (09/03/2008 7:25:24 PM): ok
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:25:26 PM): jessem89@gmail.com
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:26:28 PM): u can even send it thru paypal if thats easier for just send the payment to jessem89@gmail.com
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:26:48 PM): if i get the money either tonite or something tomorrow u will never hear from me again and i will not talk to u ever again
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:27:04 PM): ill be out of ur hair and u can releae the movies and do whatever u want witht he footage
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:27:41 PM): so im off, if i dont hear from u on here or thru email i will try and call u. hopefully i get an answer.
Bryan Banks (09/03/2008 7:27:50 PM): You make it seem like I hate you or something
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:27:57 PM): i dont know what u think
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:28:01 PM): all i know is i was lied to
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:28:03 PM): ignored
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:28:07 PM): multiple times
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:28:10 PM): and i HATE that
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:28:21 PM): and i dont want to deal with ppl who screw me around for months
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:28:29 PM): and screw up my finacial situations\
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:28:49 PM): i ended up having to borrow money several times cuz u refused to pay me or talk to me
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:28:58 PM): which is wy i need the money within the next few days
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:29:03 PM): so i can pay ppl back
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:29:26 PM): so yes, its very easy to send the money tonite, thru *url removed* with a credit card and email me the MTCN as well as the address and name u used when sending it
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:29:49 PM): and send it on yahoo just in case
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:29:52 PM): if not tonite, tomorrow then
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:29:59 PM): and then ill go poof
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:30:12 PM): u dont even have to send me copys of the movie, ill just tell my friends to buy them
Bryan Banks (09/03/2008 7:30:48 PM): msg me later tonight or if you aren't back until late I'll be on fairly early tomorrow because I have a lot to do
Bryan Banks (09/03/2008 7:31:06 PM): you get copies if you want them that was the deal
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:31:17 PM): i work from 10pm until 2am. my time. it is now 730pm my time
Bryan Banks (09/03/2008 7:31:32 PM): I am in the same time zone as you now
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:31:51 PM): oki, well if u will pay me and send copies that would be very nice. i just want this over and done with cuz it has caused me alot of stress
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:32:00 PM): will u be online around 230am?
Bryan Banks (09/03/2008 7:32:23 PM): not sure maybe. Not sure when I am going to bed yet.
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:32:34 PM): k well if not i will be awake untill about 7am
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:33:03 PM): i dont know if u dont get my messages sometimes so message me at 230am if ur online or message me at 7ish am just in case
lost_boi989 (09/03/2008 7:33:07 PM): ttyl
Bryan Banks (09/03/2008 7:33:26 PM): have fun at work and ttyl

So yea. proof. They didn't pay me and they are refusing to, don't answer my phone calls or messages or anything.

Yea I was dumb for believing them but I am 19, I didn't think someone who released 16 movies would lie to me, but I guess I learnt a bit of a lesson.

Jesse

[gaybucks_chip]

I also did not have a work visa and I wasn't a US citizen when we filmed the movie, which I just found out is illegal. I am a canadian citizen and a canadian resident.

Wait, if this is true, then any titles you are on are, according to 2257, in violation and cannot legally be sold.

I wonder how the distributor and VOD providers will take this news?

[derekt]

Wow, very interesting.

Question - How can a studio not release a video due to bad record keeping? This sounds stupid! Why spend all of the time producing something when then you cannot release it!

All of our shoots are weekend shoots, sometimes they can take as long as a week, once we had a shoot take up to 2 weeks. The VERY FIRST thing we do is have the models sign the agreements and copy their ID's. Once those are signed, we sign off on them. Then they are taken to the office and filed. Then we start filming. The contracts are 18 pages in length. And every day thereafter we film a model, all models sign a basic 2257 Record Keeping form.

It just beats me how studios are not compliant on a film.

[gaybucks_chip]

I think a lot of smaller studios play fast and loose with regulations of all kinds, either because they think they can get away with it, or because they are ignorant.

If you remember, the FBI reported that in one of the inspections they recently did, the studio admitted it kept no records at all prior to 2005, and I constantly hear studios or websites asking questions on one of the boards that indicate they don't understand the requirements of 2257.

I really can't understand why a studio would take the risk of using a non-US model when the regulations are really clear on that. But then again, I also don't understand why a studio would use popular, copyrighted music in their DVDs when there's a statutory minimum $25,000 penalty per violation (i.e., per song) for using music without a license, and I've seen several studios that do that.

Some companies just don't make the wisest choices.

[derekt]

Copyrighted music.... I've seen some studios put a stereo system in their video, and you physically see them turn the music up on it all on film.

We had a DJ spin some music in ours. He didn't understand that we were using it in DVDs. After all was done and what not, the vids were released. Then we realized the music wasn't spun, etc. And we ended up paying out the ass for a license to use the music. It was cheaper than a copyright law suit over the music, but it's something we'll never do again.

I think before a studio begins, they should consult with a lawyer like Chad Belville regarding all the laws, ask questions, etc. Make sure they know what the requirements are, and also understand the consequences of what could happen if caught with "bad" records.

[Dilbertdidporn]

Interesting no comments from Hyde Park's Ted or Bryan and I am sure I have seen them around here.

So is Jesse full of it (about not being paid)

what do you think of the the scene rate when I mentioned a few months ago that Rufus Ffoulkes was paying his models around $400 a scene I had Euro producers yell bullshit (they claimed it was higher) here Jesse is squawking over fees that I would have expected to see in lower Latvia. $150-200

Just an Observation Yes any serious producer is scrupulous with his 2257's but we KNOW many bottom feeders could care less.

What is the real danger anyone will be prosecuted?

Has anyone in Gay Porn?

You hear about inspections but when I know company's in the buisness selling DVD's from websites and they have NO 2257's whatsoever and (they have been reported to DOJ) nothing is done,,no inspections,, no fines,,buisness as usual.

Well I think 2257 is irrelevant its obvious the Govt is not really enforcing the laws.

So why worry about it?

Wait I guess its like speeding or running red lights or DUI your okay till you get caught so you play the odds make your money in porn then what,,,
get out?

That seems to be the MO for the bottom feeders

[basschick]

dude, they've only been doing inspections for a little while - it usually takes more than a year for the DOJ to put together any kind of case, so we won't know for sure that everyone inspected passed or not for a while. i do personally know people who had the law involved in their companies, and there's always the mike jones case.

btw, there have been several guys convicted on 2257, although it was used as secondary charges.

[gaybucks_chip]

Patti,

Don't bother arguing with DeWayne. He's convinced that simply because the Feds didn't go out and inspect and arrest Bryan at Cobra immediately after he (DeWayne) put in a complaint that nobody will ever enforce anything against producers working with underage models. Never mind the fact that the FBI is, in fact, investigating the issue according to reliable sources, and has been for several years.

Of course, reputable producers know that it's idiocy to not keep records and run a clean and legal operation... but if somebody wants to be stupid and try it... that's their choice.

I'm certain that Justice will eventually go after the producer with no records who was inspected last year, and I also know of another case (non-porn related) where the FBI investigated, executed search warrants, interviewed people... then silence... everyone thought the case had gone away... and then, more than 3 years later, charges were filed. The guy spent 5 years in jail.

HPP has, on another board, admitted not paying the model and apparently also admitted they shot scenes with him in the US, a clear violation of current 2257 regs. So that's pretty much a slam dunk for the Feds who, as we know, monitor the boards.

btw, I believe some of Dawgy's charges in the US stemmed from filming underage (teen) boys, so it's def not true that there has been no enforcement or convictions related to 2257.

[abostonboy]

Well I think 2257 is irrelevant its obvious the Govt is not really enforcing the laws.

So why worry about it?

I hope you are not a producer.

[abostonboy]

HPP has, on another board, admitted not paying the model and apparently also admitted they shot scenes with him in the US, a clear violation of current 2257 regs. So that's pretty much a slam dunk for the Feds who, as we know, monitor the boards.

It's a TOTAL slam dunk. Admitted on a public board. A law that is VERY clear as well. It's actually one of the few laws that after the DOJ clarified that I can understand without reading twice.

[abostonboy]

Out of curiosity. And if you feel I am off topic feel free to take it to a new thread.

Allboysditribution is the ditributor for Hyde Park, but does HDK own allboysdistro? The domain is registered in HDK's name. just curious.

[Dilbertdidporn]

Patti,

Don't bother arguing with DeWayne. He's convinced that simply because the Feds didn't go out and inspect and arrest Bryan at Cobra immediately after he (DeWayne) put in a complaint that nobody will ever enforce anything against producers working with underage models. Never mind the fact that the FBI is, in fact, investigating the issue according to reliable sources, and has been for several years.

Well it HAS been 5 years I guess we should wait another 5 before What? Complaining?

Actually Chip the example I was thinking of is the one you alluded to the producer who had no records before 2005. Cobra is not the only one you know.

And yes I was being Facetious I take federal Law very seriously, I was just pointing out that if Hyde Park jilted a model and hired him illegally does this not call their adherence to the law into question? Or their ethics?

The same for Rufus Ffoulkes a career criminal with 58 convictions for Frauds of multiple description and yet many are convinced only one of his films are suspect (for underage porn) Why?

Because Rufus assures us he was compliant on 2257 as he heads to the British pokey?

We do place a lot of "faith" in people here, I guess my Agnosticism breads skepticism. And no I am not being snarky just observing.

[gaybucks_chip]

Well it HAS been 5 years I guess we should wait another 5 before What? Complaining?

Not to get in a pissing match, but Sean would have been 16 5 years ago, that would be before he worked with Cobra. The issue came to light, and onto the FBI's radar, about 2 years ago. As I mentioned before, it does sometimes take 3-5 years for these things to come together and be acted on.

Actually Chip the example I was thinking of is the one you alluded to the producer who had no records before 2005. Cobra is not the only one you know.

Right. And I'm sure that will be dealt with in time. If I were the Justice Dept., I'd want to make sure the 6th circuit issue is resolved before bringing an indictment.

And yes I was being Facetious I take federal Law very seriously, I was just pointing out that if Hyde Park jilted a model and hired him illegally does this not call their adherence to the law into question? Or their ethics?

Yes, that's the point.

The same for Rufus Ffoulkes a career criminal with 58 convictions for Frauds of multiple description and yet many are convinced only one of his films are suspect (for underage porn) Why?

I don't know who "many" is, but I have heard quite a few industry people express deep concern. Unfortunately, though, since he is in the UK, the process of actually enforcing compliance (and the investigation necessary to evaluate compliance) is challenging for a variety of reasons.

There are definitely some very serious flaws in 2257, the most egregious of which is that there's absolutely nothing in the law to fix the date when the content is produced (other than the producer's word) and therefore no way to assure that an unscrupulous producer doesn't shoot 16 or 17 year olds and hold the content for a year or two, then postdating the production date. If and when the 6th Circuit decision is upheld, perhaps someone with some common sense will construct a simpler, better law that serves its intended purpose (keeping children away from the adult industry, and ensuring that child pornographers are caught and punished) and enforcement, as well as recordkeeping, will be a simpler process.

Until then, we have to work with what we have.
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[abostonboy]

The same for Rufus Ffoulkes a career criminal with 58 convictions for Frauds of multiple description and yet many are convinced only one of his films are suspect (for underage porn) Why?

Because Rufus assures us he was compliant on 2257 as he heads to the British pokey?

We do place a lot of "faith" in people here, I guess my Agnosticism breads skepticism. And no I am not being snarky just observing.

Ummm. It was actually because of this example that you mentioned that I have no faith in anything he has done. In fact I would go so far as to encourage anyone with content he has produced to take a closer look and maybe question it.

That's the point. Some companies that violate laws once have many times done so other times in the past. Just seems to be the way the world works. Strange, but true.

[Dilbertdidporn]

I hear you Chip,Boston Boy and I agree with you the people here on this site have been very worried and expressed their concern about Rufus and his credibility problem. I was referring to the "spin" I was being fed by many people on the BB side (mostly Euro BB companys) fed directly into my "in box". :sunny:


We all know how flawed the 2257 law is. Written by a Hostile Congress to burden porn producers with paperwork while doing nothing to actually prevent underage porn, no argument there!

Originally Posted by Dilbertdidporn
Well it HAS been 5 years I guess we should wait another 5 before What? Complaining?

gaybucks_chip reply
Not to get in a pissing match, but Sean would have been 16 5 years ago, that would be before he worked with Cobra. The issue came to light, and onto the FBI's radar, about 2 years ago. As I mentioned before, it does sometimes take 3-5 years for these things to come together and be acted on.

Chip my 5 year timeline is from the date of MY complaint of underage performers and Bryan Kocis to the FBI in 2003 involving a San Diego boy he used in a video who was known to be 17.

No response or concern from them.

You forget I knew the man(Kocis) before the boy(Brent)

So you see my complaint of inaction had nothing to do with Brent Corrigan.