Are Tube Sites Killing The Porn Industry?

[Lee]

I was just reading some threads over on GFY where people were bitching about Tube sites and how they were stealing traffic, content, sales, etc, etc

I was wondering what you folks thought about these types of site, do you think they are going to be what finally kills sales for adult webmasters and site owners or do you think they can be used as a tool to build more sales?

Im actually torn on the subject, on one hand, i can see how Tube sites that dont police their content and users upload stolen stuff can be a greater damage to the industry than webmasters themselves however, on the other hand, i can also see how, if done right, these types of site can be used to drive traffic and sales.

What are your thoughts on this, are you for or against tube type sites and why?

Regards,

Lee

[Bec]

I'll let you know right after I finish up about a dozen fake tube sites I've got in progress.

I do think these are the "new" MGP ... longer videos and instant play makes those 10 second download half a dozen clips style of gallery very old school. Done right from the sponsor end of things, where videos are just enough hot to get click throughs, properly watermarked, and submitted by the owning site I can see where it could be quite profitable.

[Jasun]

I'll tell you that Fratpad's customer base is made up mostly of people who found us through tube sites.

When I started to flood them with full scenes from our site, membership skyrockted. Our top affiliates on Fratpad include xtube, Gaytube and Rockettube.

[Lee]

You know what the crazy thing is, about 4 years ago when DRM first came out i spoke to a couple of large company owners and several of the DRM providers about setting up something similar to a Tube site where the movies were DRM protected, had embedded affiliate links and all kinds of neat stuff.

In essence, i was looking at setting up an affiliate program purely based on content alone, the content could be shared between users, uploaded, downloaded, emailed, whatever and wherever the content ended up, it would have a DRM feature that tracked it back to the affiliate that originally distributed it.

Back then, every single person i spoke to said i was crazy and that content sharing would never become popular enough to make that a viable business option, i put it on the back burner but now, im really wishing i hadnt, id be rolling in cash right now if i had steadily developed the concept when i first thought about it.

In my mind, Tube sites are pretty much the concept i had except there is no direct way for affiliates to profit from the 'content' itself especially now because DRM has such a bad name after it has been abused so much.

Regards,

Lee

[Marc]

Tube sites helped a lot to build my traffic .
i like esecially xtube,boyztube,mymusclevideos and rockettube,

straight tubes like megarotic ,spankwire do bring traffic but very little sales .

[Squirt]

I don't buy the "tube sites are helping our industry" crap

Illegal tube sites are some of the highest Alexa ranked sites.. Rapidshare is ranked 14 I believe. A "membership" to rapidshare gives a person all the free porn they want for a few dollars a month. Porn that we create at a cost, and that you market at a cost.

Pirate blogs and pirate tube sites are stealing from the pockets of affiliates and producers. :pimp:

[nickbaer]

Member Tube sites that directly pay me revenue outperform legacy VOD sites, and free Tube sites that allow me to promo the full length version on the clip on legacy VOD sites help my VOD revenues.

Tube sites have been a win/win for me.

[nickbaer]

We need a more concerted effort against pirate sites. Titan alone can only do so much. Just as FSC keeps the government legal in the intimidation of adult producers, we need a group to constantly monitor and put out of business the pirates.

Just as the RIAA worked against Napster a few years ago, we need someone to work against the pirates. By the way, Napster is being bought by Best Buy to compete with Apple iTunes Store, et.al.

AEBN, SureFlixxxxxxxxx, and Hot Movies have a lot at stake when it comes to pirate streamers. Put a coalition together of them and a few big studios, and there could be a huge turn around in the fortunes of pirates.

I don't buy the "tube sites are helping our industry" crap

Illegal tube sites are some of the highest Alexa ranked sites.. Rapidshare is ranked 14 I believe. A "membership" to rapidshare gives a person all the free porn they want for a few dollars a month. Porn that we create at a cost, and that you market at a cost.

Pirate blogs and pirate tube sites are stealing from the pockets of affiliates and producers. :pimp:

[scwebmaster]

Hey Guys:

I am working on a way for both content producers and affiliates to monetize tube site. At jizzflixxx.com, I am working on a webmasters, tool. It is 99% finished. Right now, I need sponsors to send me banners etc to make it work. Here is a boydollars example: http://www.jizzflixxx.com/webmasters...lars/index.php

All boydollars affiliate has to do is enter their CCBill code and one of the surferes watch and click on the postroll, they get full credit for the sales.

If your a sponsor and want to add tube videos to your program, send me a message via icq: 346 982 423

[nickbaer]

If you really wanted to monetize JizzFlixxx, create a pay plan where viewers pay something, that you share between JizzFlixxx and the producers.

8 cents per minute VOD is a dinosaur model, just like 25 cent long distance of a previous era turned into a few pennies.

Create a package plan like in the equivalent range of a few cents per minute.

Short free preview clips, vs longer PPV clips, but instead of paying by the minute, pay by the day or week (with a cap on minutes/bandwidth usage to prevent collapse of the model).

[scwebmaster]

If you really wanted to monetize JizzFlixxx, create a pay plan where viewers pay something, that you share between JizzFlixxx and the producers.

8 cents per minute VOD is a dinosaur model, just like 25 cent long distance of a previous era turned into a few pennies.

Create a package plan like in the equivalent range of a few cents per minute.

Short free preview clips, vs longer PPV clips, but instead of paying by the minute, pay by the day or week (with a cap on minutes/bandwidth usage to prevent collapse of the model).

Actually working with sponsors has turned out to be more profitable than any kind of pay model.

[nickbaer]

Never say never.

[CharlieBrown]

everything is killing the industry

[jIgG]

of course they're bitching

stealing their traffic? how? by directing visitors to something other than a cruddy paysite with 1024 cross sells that also spams the shit out of them when they sign up for a trial and cancel or rebill just one month?

that's like saying yahoo is stealing traffic away from newspapers, or other free email services.

Didn't DVD distributors bitch and moan about the internet stealing their sales?

taking the pirates out will be difficult, and it's impossible
unless you make it really expensive to run their operation
and how would you make someone pay when they have no intention of paying in the first place. Someone just will not pay for porn. Period.

i think we're getting further and further away from the 1 site for $30/month

people want variety
as much as possible
they apparently like hunting for whatever's out there

why would otherwise someone pay a pirate site/forum, sometimes as much as $50, so they can have access to working links to rapidshare and the other services?

Granted there are people out there that would download for the sake of downloading.

[Titanmen]

AEBN, SureFlixxxxxxxxx, and Hot Movies have a lot at stake when it comes to pirate streamers. Put a coalition together of them and a few big studios, and there could be a huge turn around in the fortunes of pirates.

I've pitched this same idea over and over and over again to them all and nothing ever happens. My argument has always been that the VOD distributors have just as much, if not more, to lose from online piracy. They are in a much better position, representing multiple studios, to tackle blogs and torrents sites.

It needs to be set up similar to AICO in Australia whereby it is an independent body with a full time lawyer on staff. I’ve proposed that members studios contribute 2-3% of their VOD sales revenue, to be matched by the VOD distributor, to fund the organization. The governing body be made of up reps from the major VOD producers and select studio reps. By representing multiple producers you can afford to fund major legal battles that benefit the entire industry.

We’ve offered to help give advice and help set-up the organization, but it needs to be handled by the big VOD vendors, not by us. We are happy to help, but we simply cannot afford to take on the set-up and running of the organization. It’s bigger then we can handle.

This is not the same model as GAPA or the FSC trying to teach each individual producer how to write DMCA take down notices. If all you do is try to throw it back into the laps of each producer, nothing will ever get done. It needs to be an organization that represents multiple producer, just like the MPAA.

My two cents….