But what happened with Prop 8?

**Maryflixxx** · 11-05-2008, 09:06 AM

I can't find an answer to this question online...

Are they still counting?

**Squirt** · 11-05-2008, 09:26 AM

You can track the status here

Currently it's at 92% of the vote counted.

52% to ban Gay marriage.

48% to allow Gay marriage.

However votes in Florida, Arizona, and Arkansas are already counted and November 4th brought the following changes in those states:

In Florida today Gay marriage is now illegal

In Arizona today Gay marriage is now illegal

In Arkansas today it is now illegal for homosexuals to adopt children or become foster parents.

I have every confidence that the new Democracy Obama brings will put an end to this discrimination. I really do believe this.

**Maryflixxx** · 11-05-2008, 09:41 AM

Oh dear...

I never understand how society can move backwards.

It makes me very, very sad.

Obama has already said that he believes that the Prop 8 movement was a negative one, so here's hoping that you are right and he moves for change.

**basschick** · 11-05-2008, 09:55 AM

it's about education. the less quality education we have, the less actual thinking people do and the more they follow the church or ignorance. it also seems like less education means more "us vs them" mentality, which means less belief in rights for "the other guy", regardless of who that might be

very sad, and i'm hoping that gay marriage bans are found unconstitutional at some point.

Originally Posted by Maryflixxx

Oh dear...

I never understand how society can move backwards.

It makes me very, very sad.

Obama has already said that he believes that the Prop 8 movement was a negative one, so here's hoping that you are right and he moves for change.

**Squirt** · 11-05-2008, 09:57 AM

It is disappointing but I'm extremely hopeful and uplifted by Obama being elected president.

You can see his video response to prop 8 here. I really think our new Democracy will give the Gay community full rights. I truly believe this. :broccoli:

**Squirt** · 11-05-2008, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by basschick

i'm hoping that gay marriage bans are found unconstitutional at some point.

This is my hope as well and Obama, being a previous Harvard grad and constitutional law professor, is against prop 8. This is very promising as are his constant reminders in speeches about our "Gay brothers and sisters" etc. I truly feel good things are coming our way :thumbsup:

I can't help but be reminded of states ratifying their constitutions in the past regarding slavery and interracial marriage, then being federally forced to stop discrimination.

**Seth** · 11-05-2008, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by Maryflixxx

I never understand how society can move backwards.

I see it as two steps forward and one step back. Baby steps... We'll get there. Maybe even in this lifetime

**Seth** · 11-05-2008, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by basschick

i'm hoping that gay marriage bans are found unconstitutional at some point.

Isn't the constitution suppose to give rights to people, not take them away? I really think they will be found unconstitutional.

**Titanmen** · 11-05-2008, 01:48 PM

It ain't over....

http://www.noonprop8.com/headlines/results-status/

Roughly 400,000 votes separate yes from no on Prop 8 – out of 10 million votes tallied.

Based on turnout estimates reported yesterday, we expect that there are more than 3 million and possibly as many as 4 million absentee and provisional ballots yet to be counted.

Given that fundamental rights are at stake, we must wait to hear from the Secretary of State tomorrow how many votes are yet to be counted as well as where they are from.

It is clearly a very close election and we monitored the results all evening and this morning.

As of this point, the election is too close to call.

Because Prop 8 involves the sensitive matter of individual rights, we believe it is important to wait until we receive further information about the outcome.

**Jasun** · 11-05-2008, 02:32 PM

Even if it does pass, we've taken it to the courts and won before, we'll do it again.

This isn't over until we win it.

You can slow us down but you can't KEEP us down.

**jIgG** · 11-05-2008, 05:44 PM

how is the obama presidency going to end this exactly?
given that some dems have given reasoning against banning gay marriage in the constitution that states should themselves decide.

the states voted no, florida especially where 60% are needed for anything to pass is at 62% to ban ... the reality is reality. You can't make people accept something they won't. And if you do force it on them they end up hating you.

Exit polls for florida:
53% of 18-29/52% of 18-24 year olds in florida voted yes to ban
65% of 30-44 year olds voted yes and it goes up from there
56% of moderates also voted yes
71% of african americans voted yes
only white evangelicals voted more than them at 86% yes

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#FLI01p1

AND there are MANY gays who are not pro gay marriage for a variety of reasons. I think it was something like 30% in the 2004 elections. I read an analysis somewhere I think it was in 2004 where many gays thought marriage was something straight people do and to them gay people marring was like trying to be (like) straight people

**chadknowslaw** · 11-05-2008, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by jIgG

You can't make people accept something they won't. And if you do force it on them they end up hating you.

Kind of like forcing all-white schools to accept black kids and whites-only businesses to cater to black customers.

It is painful at first, but time heals and it gets better.

**Jasun** · 11-05-2008, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by jIgG

And if you do force it on them they end up hating you.

Um... they ALREADY hate us.. it's why they did this to begin with.

**Titanmen** · 11-06-2008, 01:11 PM

The constitution is meant to protect minorities, not the majority. If this amendment were to stand then the people could also vote to make it illegal for disabled people to marry non-disabled people, or that only people of the same race could marry each other.

If we let citizens vote on rights like these then we’d still have states where interracial marriage was illegal! That’s why we have constitutions…to protect the minority from the majority.

Sexual orientation is a “protected class” in the state of California. You cannot take away only the rights of a protected class without a compelling state interest. Religion is not a compelling state interest. A revision to the state constitution, which this is, requires a 2/3 majority vote in the house and senate before it can go to the people for a vote. This will never pass the house and senate as they were the ones that legalized same sex marriage in the first place.

This is far from over!