Why is CCBill processing for a pirate site?

[DonMike]

http://bigdickclub.us/

These guys have tons of stolen content on their site, and not just showing it but making it available for download. So they are literally giving our content to their members. And CCBill is processing for them. What's that all about?

[Lee]

Im not seeing any way for surfers to pay using CCBill and the site actually says it is '100% Free' what am i missing Don?

Regards,

Lee

[DonMike]

Im not seeing any way for surfers to pay using CCBill and the site actually says it is '100% Free' what am i missing Don?

Regards,

Lee

Right on the front page there's a note on the right hand side that says, "Keep this site going! PLEASE DONATE!" with a Donate button that takes you to this link:

https://bill.ccbill.com/jpost/signup.cgi

Don't CC processors check the sites they process for to see if they might be content pirates or be selling stolen content?

It's not just our stuff, there are videos from Next Toor Buddies (Next Door Studios), Men At Play, Chaos Men, Jake Cruise.

[Lee]

Don,

Im still not seeing anything bud, is it possible they have geo-redirecting going on?

Seriously, im seeing a free form to signup for a 'membership' to their site, nothing about donating, no mention of exchanging any money at all.

Regards,

Lee

[DonMike]

Sorry. I had to actually sign up to see our pirated content. As much as I hated to spend a the time filling out bogus info and my spam email address. So the donation button is on the inside of the site.

Um... just out of curiosity, did you think I was making this up?

[Lee]

Sorry. I had to actually sign up to see our pirated content. As much as I hated to spend a the time filling out bogus info and my spam email address. So the donation button is on the inside of the site.

Um... just out of curiosity, did you think I was making this up?

Not at all, i actually wondered if they were using geo-targeting to allow certain 'friendly' state in and keep the less friendly ones out.

Regards,

Lee

[badpuppyben]

you have to sign up to see the donate button, but it's free to sign up.

there are tons of videos on there.

[maxx68]

Makes me wonder what's going on behind the scenes if they allow a free sign up to a site I'm sure they know has stolen content.

Wonder if there's some kinda worm or something you get when you enter?

Just seems strange they would use pirated content then allow anyone to see it.

[DonMike]

Makes me wonder what's going on behind the scenes if they allow a free sign up to a site I'm sure they know has stolen content.

Wonder if there's some kinda worm or something you get when you enter?

Just seems strange they would use pirated content then allow anyone to see it.

I hope not. I had to join to see if our stuff was on it, which it was. But there are a lot of people who have free blogs using stolen content. For a lot of these guys it's not about business, they do it either for fun or for the accolades of their adoring fans. For some it's a whole ego trip because they keep getting comments from their members going on and on about how great they are for posting the videos for free. You know, like this stuff just exists and we're the bastards who hold it hostage and only let people see it for a fee.

I love these people who act like porn should be for free. Like we don't spend a buttload of money producing it. Don't even get me started.

[derekt]

We had them shut down this time last year. They were processing with Verotel's tickets club. Several DMCA Take Down notices were sent to Verotel multiple times by us and I understand many others. Eventually Verotel got them. At that time the domain name was BigDickClub.info.

I think they need to be shut down.

I think that the proper studios need to be contacted, suggest to them that they need to send a DMCA take down notice to the host, domain registrar, and CCBill.

When we find things, we go in attacking with the DMCA's, and we send them to anyone and everyone who assists in that sites development such as CCBill, Domain Registrar, site operator, and the host.

HDKBill made a strong but firm suggestion to us about 2 years ago that we need to Copyright our DVDs with the US Copyright office. Since we have. You have more of a leg to stand on with a site such as this in battling against them.

[usasgb]

As I know, 99.9% of the porn posted on social networks or smaller private sites such as bigdickclub.us are originating from lifeout.com with 1000's of videos, gaywatch.com with 13,000 videos, and gayforit.com with over 14,000 videos.

Those three well established sites are the culprit of your Demise Don. I'm surprise for someone as well as informed as yourself you don't know that.

I'm a member of all those sites and it doesn't take a genius to see where the buck stops. It's just unfortunate bigdickclub.us has a few haters. It's a great site as I've been a member since week 2.

Also to clarify, it was bigdickclub.tv no relation to bigdickclub.us that was taken down on ning.com's network. I wasn't a member of bigdickclub.tv, but I hear the owner, Marco Laperna and 40 John Does are defendants in a lawsuit vs. Titan Media. Go Titan!

If these porn producers would just watermark their material it would be much easier to police as the administrator of bigdickcub.us deletes anything that is watermarked. No other site does that at the moment, but should.

BTW, your point about the CCBill is valid. I don't see that option anymore..do you?

[DonMike]

If these porn producers would just watermark their material it would be much easier to police as the administrator of bigdickcub.us deletes anything that is watermarked. No other site does that at the moment, but should.

Bullshit. Our videos had our logo splash right at the beginning of the video. It was obvious it was ours. And I saw a lot of other videos that had the logos at the beginning too. I'm not against these kinds of sites if the content is comprised of people shooting their own videos and posting them. I know a few people who get their rocks off shooting their own X-tube videos and I'm all about that. But if you are going to run a site like this, you need to police it. Don't even think for a minute that they don't know a nice collection of pirated top level stuff is going to boost donations or bring in more memberships. The message the guy posted was pretty much proof of that. He told his members to not post content from certain studios that he knew were watching him but giving a subtle hint that everything else was open game. If they were truly policing their uploads and removing content without making us have to resort to DMCA notices for every single infraction then I'd be more inclined to let sleeping dogs lie and move on. How hard can it be for a moderator to approve videos and to watch for watermarks and spash pages?

BTW, your point about the CCBill is valid. I don't see that option anymore..do you?

You are very right. And I would like to publicly thank CCBill for removing them.

Now they're using MultiCards.

[nickbaer]

Sounds like a job for GayBucksChip's anti-piracy group promoted here months ago...

[usasgb]

I don't think any webmaster can be every where, all day, every day. Secondly it's hard to reason with a person who uses obscene language to express his or her thought.

I know you're concerned, but still very much misinformed and obviously lacking manners and education for anyone to take you seriously.

Lastly, I have never seen nor read any subtle hints condoning pirating videos for donations on bigdickclub.us or any other site. I speak for every member as well as myself when I say we don't need a moderator to police videos when the administrator should just delete the member(s) in question.

Again, I reiterate it's Gaywatch.com, Lifeout.com, and Gayforit.com that is the source of 99% of the pirated videos. Take some time to both clean your mouth out and surf these sites! Laziness is not an excuse for ignorance.

P.S. What is a "spash page"?

[DonMike]

I don't think any webmaster can be every where, all day, every day. Secondly it's hard to reason with a person who uses obscene language to express his or her thought.

I know you're concerned, but still very much misinformed and obviously lacking manners and education for anyone to take you seriously.

Lastly, I have never seen nor read any subtle hints condoning pirating videos for donations on bigdickclub.us or any other site. I speak for every member as well as myself when I say we don't need a moderator to police videos when the administrator should just delete the member(s) in question.

Again, I reiterate it's Gaywatch.com, Lifeout.com, and Gayforit.com that is the source of 99% of the pirated videos. Take some time to both clean your mouth out and surf these sites! Laziness is not an excuse for ignorance.

P.S. What is a "spash page"?

Well, I guess I've been told. My apologies at using the word "bullshit" if it offends you. However, being that we work in the adult industry I'm afraid you're going to encounter a lot worse than that around here.

I'm not saying that Gaywatch, Lifeout or Gayforit are innocent by any means, but it's pretty much the same thing for you to upload a pirated video yourself or take an already pirated video and place it on another site. It's still our video. If you didn't produce the video, don't post it anywhere. And by "you" I don't mean to insinuate that you yourself did this posting, I mean it in general terms. In case I need to spell that out for you being that I'm uneducated and misinformed.

And lastly, if these guys are so concerned with piracy and not wanting to steal from the pockets of the adult industry then don't you think a message telling people to not post ANY video that they do not own would have been more appropriate rather than telling them which specific studios to avoid. If you are at a party and see a table full of food and the host tells you to not eat the meatballs wouldn't you then assume everything else was up for grabs?

So tell me, do you think it's okay for a website to make money off of posting videos that they did not produce themselves or license for use?