The newest thing to make money fast for us gay webmasters

[badboysfilms]

I been working on my sites for a few years and just thinking what in the hell am I doing wrong what is it that people want and can't find. It seems that for some reason I have been missing the boat. I have affiliate programs on my tgp sites tube site and blogs on my paysites etc and NOT ONE fucking sale from any of them. NOT ONE. Over 60,000 users look at my sites each month and you would think one sale????? Nope so I thinking what could be wrong I have 2 affiliate programs I deal with that make sales every fucking month but the other 14 affiliate programs that are supposed to be big nothing so is it a scam going on with these sites? Or for some reason they just miss me. I don't know but there has to be a way to see what is going on here. Well anyway I am thinking of dropping them as what is the point they make me no sales so why push them. They are not small sites either and have ads everywhere saying how big they are some even talk on this site. ANyway if someone knows of anyone that can show me the money let me know!!!!!!

[LavenderLounge]

I am feeling the same way. I promote about 25 different affiliate programs and I used to get little checks from each of them. Now it's down to only three programs and my own pay site that make any money.

Time to start cleaning house and getting rid of banners from dead programs.

Why does this happen?

-The trickle down of less sales overall.
-Too many other webmasters promoting the same programs. If you keep slicing the pie into smaller pieces, somebody will get nothing.

[Lee]

Well you might want to make some replies to this thread you started a few months back...

http://forums.gaywidewebmasters.com/...ad.php?t=28610

Several of us tried helping you in there but you didnt really give us any information that we could work with to actually help you.

It seems like every few months you ask us to help you but dont actually seem to give us any info we need to give you solid advice to help you make sales.

Unless we know exactly what you are doing right now, there is no way we're gonna be able to help you out by telling you what you need to change.

Regards,

Lee

[HunkyLuke]

I can tell you from my own experiences that promoting smaller sites works way better, so does promoting specific niches and promoting fresh NEW sites that are not over promoted already.

Perhaps you can give some specific URLs so that we can check and make suggestions?

[derekt]

Call me too blunt, but I see this guy coming on this forum about once every other month complaining about his sites, he has all these hits but nothings converting.

http://forums.gaywidewebmasters.com/...earchid=100816

He starts his threads, then he goes back and forth complaining about how nothing converts. He gets the thread going, and then when those who offer help... he disappears. I kind of see it pointless in trying to help someone who shows up and disappears like this.

[gaybucks_chip]

well and... he's been given advice but doesn't seem interested in actually taking any of it (or at least any of it that requires real effort.)

I think that's what separates the serious businesspeople from the "dabblers"... if you're in it to run a successful business, you figure out what it is you can do to improve things, take all the advice you can get and make use of it, learn from your mistakes, and continue to grow your business.

There are always people out there who are more interested in complaining about how terrible things are, or why their business isn't working, but honestly, I haven't seen success in anyone who does that without putting a positive outlook on it... but that's hard for a lot of people to get their hands around.

[derekt]

well and... he's been given advice but doesn't seem interested in actually taking any of it (or at least any of it that requires real effort.)

I think that's what separates the serious businesspeople from the "dabblers"... if you're in it to run a successful business, you figure out what it is you can do to improve things, take all the advice you can get and make use of it, learn from your mistakes, and continue to grow your business.

There are always people out there who are more interested in complaining about how terrible things are, or why their business isn't working, but honestly, I haven't seen success in anyone who does that without putting a positive outlook on it... but that's hard for a lot of people to get their hands around.

Very well put Chip. I too agree with you.

[gaybucks_chip]

OK, call me a sucker, but I took a look at the sites and I'll make a couple of quick comments

-- The tours for badboysfilms.com and manstay.com are, no offense, probably among the worst paysite tours I've ever seen. Might have been ok in 1997, but not by today's standards.

-- There's absolutely nothing on the warning page of badboysfilms that makes me want to go further. It looks like a page full of banners you'd find on the crappiest of free sites, but there's nothing clickable. I realize the idea is to promote Badpuppy, but if you feel so crappy about your own site that you have to promote the network you're a member of instead of your own site, something's really wrong.

-- There are no graphics whatsoever, except said unclickable banners that have no purpose promoting the actual site, and a logo at the top of the page. Nothing to entice the surfer to want to view the tour. The few buttons that are there are tiny and uninviting.

-- Traffic leaks on the bottom of the page (right next to where someone is supposed to click to take the tour, if they get that far) would keep any serious affiliate from wanting to promote the site.

-- it wasn't easy for me to even figure out how to *take* the tour (and I'm a fairly sophisticated user). I have to scroll way down past a bunch of crap, read through unappealing text and banner ads for completely unrelated products.

-- The tours look like they were designed by an amateur designer. Unless you're really going after the "I'm a guy who convinces guys to come into my home and jerk off" kind of look, it's hard to get anyone to take you serious. If you are going after the "amateur guy with cam" market, then the site can use the janky design style it has now, but should still be marketed completely differently.

-- There are some cute guys on the site. If it were properly developed and marketed, it would probably sell.

-- Manstay has all the same problems, but in addition, it uses ccbill but doesn't process Visa. That's cutting out a gigantic portion of the potential customers right there (about 65%, according to the last numbers I heard.)

I realize the above might be harsh, but it's intended only to put out what's wrong. If you really want the site to be successful, you might consider taking that advice.

[badboysfilms]

I am sorry but it seems there are so many here that are hitting me hard for a good question that really has never been answered. Sorry but asking questions after I ask is not an answer to my questions. I have built sites tgp sites, blogs paysites and list all my sites to each other and still get very little. anyway I need real answers not questions. WHat am I doing??? is not an answer. If I got a pay site what should be done to get sales
manstay.com. I not here all the time because I also build sites and mantain sites for others and also have other work so it is hard to be in this chat all the time.

[Lee]

I am sorry but it seems there are so many here that are hitting me hard for a good question that really has never been answered. Sorry but asking questions after I ask is not an answer to my questions. I have built sites tgp sites, blogs paysites and list all my sites to each other and still get very little. anyway I need real answers not questions. WHat am I doing??? is not an answer. If I got a pay site what should be done to get sales
manstay.com. I not here all the time because I also build sites and mantain sites for others and also have other work so it is hard to be in this chat all the time.

What are you doing IS an appropriate answer, because unless we can see what you are currently doing wrong, we have no idea what to tell you.

Anyone can build blogs, galleries, tgps, free sites, paysites, etc, etc....

But if they are being built and marketed incorrectly, they arent going to make the person building them any money... As you are finding out.

In order for us to know what you are doing wrong, we need to see your sites, not just your paysite which by the way, needs a serious redesign and you also need to drop BadPuppy (as much i love those guys) all you are doing by being on the BadPuppy network is getting them affiliates, not you affiliates.

Post some links to your free sites, tgps, etc, etc and maybe we can actually tell you what you are doing wrong on them and why you arent making any sales from them and how to correct those errors to start making money.

Until we can see links to those, there really isnt any way at all we can answer your question and you'll be back again next month asking it yet again and still not getting any answers....

Regards,

Lee

[badboysfilms]

So here is what your saying....Totally change the site looks and feel. Don't promote BP, pay the 750. to get visa on manstay, not sure about ccbill as a problem I really think that is the best program as I would trust a ccbill program more than any other. Get more sites to link to me either as affiliates or just trading links. Increase my hits to the site by getting 60,000 a day not per month user. Get some PPC programs going, etc etc. Well your right and the total cost to me about 5,000.00 and on going.


"Well I don't think it is nessary to know what I am doing as it is wrong. What would be nice is to know what to do correctly."

[derekt]

I have never really looked at your site. We were a badpuppy contributor for about a year and a half. Sales weren't there. The site was professionally designed multiple times, just no sales. So we eventually left. The day we left badpuppy, members came swarming in.
Badpuppy is great for someone who doesn't have the time for member support, doesn't have the budget for hosting and all of the associated expenses with starting a membersite.
I'm not bashing Badpuppy. I love Lisa and Ben over there. They're great people. But like any program.. it's not good for everyone.

Now, we're not good at doing sites. In fact we're pouring out a lot of money and going with Carma, completely re-doing many of our sites, our websites are taking a totally different turn.

So with that said, I went to BadBoysFilms.com..
The second I went to the site, I lost interest. I seen all of these banners for all these sites. I was ready to leave. I didn't know where to click or what to do.

Always keep it in mind, when your designing a tour, you want to get their penis hard. You have "X" amount of seconds to do it. You want them to get turned on by your tour. But don't give away too much.
The tour has to sell the site.

Once I finally found the "enter" link, I was bored.

There is no tour. Yes- In your eyes there is a tour because you designed it.

It all boils down to your site is not navigational friendly. It looks like a infomercial for Badpuppy.

Here: http://badboysfilms.com/
When you click on the enter link... Why does it open in a new window? They aren't leaving the site. And many use pop-up blocker when they're surfing porn.

I finally got here:
http://www.badboysfilms.com/home.php?pagenum=0
What the hell do I do now?

Show some thumbnails of guys. When the user clicks on the thumbnails, show like 10 images and details about that guy.

At the bottom of the page... That's where all your traffic is going because they lost interest already. That's a traffic leak. Your giving your traffic a link to leave your site.

From there, I don't know where to go... it's like your site needs a whole entire make over.

Keep in mind... Badpuppy has thousands of members. Your not making sales on THEIR members. Your making sales ONLY on members you refer through your contributor site or through promoting them as an affiliate.
Their thousands of members are accessing your members area on your expense.
If you want to promote other sites... move all of your links that are throughout your "tour" area and put them inside the members area. Those thousands of members are watching your content or viewing your content without you getting paid for it if it makes sense.

When we were with Badpuppy... we found that more sales conversions to other sites were coming from the members area. We promoted AEBN through banners. We promoted OUR other sites with banners.
And it worked.

Badpuppy is an AVS Network.

Start with that.

[HunkyLuke]

...Manstay has all the same problems, but in addition, it uses ccbill but doesn't process Visa.

Visa accounts for between 60-70% of our credit card transactions, not accepting it is NOT an option.

[Lee]

In order to make money with your paysites you need to build free sites, galleries, blogs and other types of website.

Hope that is the answer you are looking for

Regards,

Lee