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    Cams

    Cams.

    Not much talk about Cams, Cam sites. It's 8am on the west coast, and 800 viewers on CB are watching an 18 year old in Lativa, waist-up shirtless, bouncing around to a rap song in the background.

    800!?!

    He just made enough token tips to show his large, uncut cock. The kind you'd expect on a university age European guy.

    He's #1 on the first page of at least 4 pages, 100 cam broadcasters per page. Sure, by page 4, some of the broadcasters only have a few viewers, but all totaled, there's over 20,000 on the site right now.

    20,000!?!

    CB is one of a dozen popular CAM sites. There's Jas, C4. I like CB the best. C4 modified their software 2 weeks ago. Now, when you go on the "males" page, you're likely to see M/F couples and single women. Tiny thumbnails of the broadcaster, and then as you're scrolling along, there's female breasts - or WORSE!

    There's usually 2 pages of interesting broadcasters.

    I liked Jas at first. Almost no American models. Mostly Bucharest and St Petersburg, with a batch of South American. Handsome guys, broken English being typed. Fully clothed for much of their 6 to 8-hour shift, sometimes tied to US timezones, which are 10-hours away. So these guys are sitting there at 8am their time!. Then shirtless, then underwear. No flashes or teases. No sexy shows, they just sit there waiting to go private for 2 Euro - 3 Euro per minute, and beat off.

    2 weeks ago every model I had "favorited" since January was "offline", replaced by 50 more male models. I'm done with that.

    Back to CB. Last night, 10pm west coast US time, two nerdy 19 year-olds from Kentucky earned 1000 tips, $100, from 800 viewers to strip down to underwear. No typing on their part, they were every chatty on mic. The 800 viewers were doing a lot of chatting by keyboard, the models were talking, and their hands were on each other, not on a keyboard.

    Then the next goal was selling admissions to their upcoming sex show. In underwear and jock strap, these two twink-nerds kiss and wrestle on the bed 6 feet away, while 200 viewers paid 150 tokens each, $15 x 200 viewers(!!!!), to buy a ticket to watch them presumably fuck, since the top guy showed off a box of Magnums. And then his long and thin, very uncut cock.

    With the 200 ticket goal in sight, the two start their private show, that only the $15 ticket holders can see and hear. But the rest of us can still see the chat room conversation scroll by. By then, I had already seen the "top's" pencil dick, and the bottom's painfully tiny, couldn't tell if cut or uncut, member, as the top tried to suck what appeared to be mostly some loose skin.

    I watched the chat for a few minutes, before going to bed at 11pm. Most of the chat had to do with iPad users complaining that they couldn't see the show (in flash), and others complaining the top couldn't get hard. That's odd, he was hard in his underwear while trying to sell those $15 tickets! But not when push came to shove - it in the bottom's willing hole.

    So for webmasters and studios here, many of whom are no longer here, who make videos, DVDs, package them for VOD, promote their own site, or other's sites for 30%-50% of a $20 monthly membership... here's 2 twinks from Kentucky, on a laptop webcam, selling $3000 in a couple of hours, for which they got half. (C4 pays half. I can't get that far into CB to learn if they pay half, more or less.)

    When was the last time you made $1500 in a couple of hours? Shooting a movie, with cast and crew, with $1000-$3000 cameras, 1 or more camera, editing on $1000 computer with $300+ software, to 1-hour, mailing it to VOD, waiting 3 weeks, being told this or that needed to be changed, documentation and record keeping... when these 2 nerds had a $500 laptop with webcam, and a floor lamp.


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    I don't know if I'm done with C4. I have $10 in tokens purchased ahead. But the percentage of naked women in the thumbnails the past 2 weeks, is revolting, plus a pop-up every time I click around, of a naked woman wanting to lure me into some kind of naked chat thing. Geo-targeted knowing that I am in Las Vegas. I click on it to go away, too fast to read fully, as it is really, really gross.

    Now, the 18-year old from Latvia on CB has 925 viewers, still waist-up shirtless, but after 2 short views of his cock, trimmed pubes, and smooth but furry crack ass.


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    And what about the music playing in the background? Where's the RIAA?

    These European cam models may not know much English, but this 18 year-old from Latvia sure likes Eminem.


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    We used to talk to no end about Tube sites, running 3-5 minute clips for free, so customers didn't have to buy minutes or memberships on VOD or member sites.

    Here's Cams.

    And the other topic about Cams: the whole dark shadow the past couple of years, that you had to shoot bareback breeding movies or get out. Here's dozens of models, not evening showing dick, let alone gaping holes or rape-like fucking imagery, earning big ticket cash, with no equipment other than a laptop and a lamp.

    Sure there's (some) fucking, but not the kind on VOD new release pages, or most member sites. No gaping holes dripping in cum, no scruffy faces covered in dripping cum. There's guys just shirtless!! Kissing!! Underwear!! Cock shows!! Peeks at holes!!

    i think Cams fill several desires of more mainstream viewers with cash. Viewers who want better control of their cash, and have a wider menu of soft, romantic, bromantic and erotic, even if there is no hardest of the hard core sex, or even sex acts at all.

    It's kind of like what VOD and member sites were like 10 years ago.

    Much more like videos and DVDs I make - but I'm not sure if my 400 videos, many similar to webcam shows, can compete with the 200 at-a-time Cam site broadcasters, on 4-5 top Cam sites, at 8-midnight.


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    Now the 18 year-old from Lativa is doing a 2-minute cock show. 150 tokens. $15. 10-euro. 7.64 Latvian Lats.

    He must know Robt Chandler, as he knows how to show off his foreskin. Simulated docking and all.


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    So, feeling sorry for myself on a Saturday afternoon that VOD sales are down, I scanned through the CB pages and came upon two guys in the shower, with 800 viewers.

    I'm thinking to myself, this is pretty great, since I've made popular shower videos for 10 years.

    To make a long story short, since I get weary of typing, the half-hour shower led to the sale of admission tickets to their upcoming sex show, which then resulted in the sex show, where the advertised top couldn't get hard to fuck the bottom, and the "top" actually rode the bottom getting him off prematurely, followed by 15-minutes of apologies.

    Financially, in 2 hours, the guys raked in about 2,000 tokens as tips in appreciation and for requests, $200; and 80 tickets, at 100 tokens each, for the sex show. 8,000 tokens = $800. Gross receipts $1,000, their share $500.

    On top of their Fan Club sales, $15.00 recurring monthly, and video clip sales from previous shows, 100 tokens each.


    As a video producer, casting scout, cameraman, director, I had my doubts about this pair from the beginning. In the shower, the "bottom" was playful and frequently hard, The "top" was selfish and self-centered, hogging the water and kind of pushing the other, littler guy, out of the way. Big dick, always soft. About the only thing he liked to do was eat the bottom's ass. I'm kind of OK with that, since they were in the shower, and there was at least some soap involved prior.

    Then they move the laptop with webcam to the bedroom, and they spend 45-minutes selling tickets to their upcoming sex show, with a lot of talk about how to buy a ticket, along with some cock sucking and ass eating. One part of their success, is that they don't type to chat with viewers, they talk. That has been a major criticism of mine in the past about Cam sites: models typing, using their hands to type rather than be sexy, and typing rather than talking whereby viewers can get more emotionally attached.

    During the 10-minute countdown tot he start of the sex show, the bottom sucked the top to get him presentable, but the top still needed to use a dildo to start "topping" the bottom. Then the show started, and the video and audio became "hidden" to those of us who didn't buy an admission ticket. But, I could still see the chatting from others scroll by. The show was just under an hour long. The play-by-play got intense about 50-minutes in, as the top "rode" the bottom, and the bottom came like a geyser all over himself. A few minutes later, the chatter turned to "don't feel bad, it happens to all of us" sympathy to the "top" because he never was able to perform.

    Then the show was over, and the picture and sound returned to those of us who didn't buy a ticket. 5 minutes of apologies from the "top" for not performing, and announcement of another show "tomorrow" or the next day.

    $1,000 later!

    I have 400 videos in my catalog of videos that I have personally cast, shot, edited and prepared for VOD and DVD markets. Most have similar themes and scenarios to what these guys did in their Cam show. Except that I my case, if a model is having trouble, we pause and figure it out. I deliver a finished product with advertised results.

    But still, the 100 or more viewers who paid, liked their 2-hour show. If anything, the difference is the personal interaction, the talking, the questions and answers, the dialogue, hearing the voices.

    With VOD, my 60-minute movies, at 10?/minute, are $6.00. (Less, if the customer buys larger blocks of time.) These viewers paid $10 to watch an unedited live show, and got half of what was advertised.


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    The 2 guys, who grossed $1,000 for the shower and sex show...

    20,715 followers on CB!

    And, how many followers do you have on Tumblr?


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    On CB last night, a 20-something guy from near Seattle is playing his electronic piano. Some tips later, he's naked.

    The guy is an interesting mixed-race, even by Seattle standards, where so many incredibly interesting men are part indigenous (Aleut, or politically incorrect term would be "Eskimo"), French, Asian (recent Asian, as "indigenous" are 10,000 year-ago Asian), Russian...

    Curly, large black hair (African?), huge uncut, very uncut, cock. His screen name suggests he works at StarBucks, which started a crowd critique of coffee brands. Then we learn he works at a Best Buy - deathly silence about that.

    2 hours of naked piano playing later, 6,000 tips later, $600 gross, $300 net, he signs off, amidst a roar of applause animated GIFs.

    And here I thought animated GIFs were so 1995!


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    Last night the naked piano player was back on CB.

    Starts out fully dressed in a suit and vest. The first goal is topless, then naked. That raked in over $50 net. 1,000 tokens, $100 gross, performer gets 50%

    About 2-hours of naked piano playing and voice comments to viewer text chatting, hauled in $400-$500 net.

    Then a brand-new goal of "more fun". Everyone was hoping that would be a jack off (wank for my Brit friends). And that it was!

    BUT, that earned $50 net. Mostly from 2 viewers.


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    A few weeks ago, I noted that all of my "favorite" cam models from Bucharest and St Petersberg were "offline" on Jas, had been for 2-3 weeks, and have never been back on-line.

    I have found a couple of them, including a couple, now on CB. I can tell because I recognize the faces and dicks, the "studio" room decor, and a couple of things about the software they use on the model's end: The camera is "reverse scan", so the printing on the T-Shirt or underwear band is like looking in a mirror, you have to read from right to left, and when a new viewer enters the room, the software makes a loud "door-bell" sound.

    I'd like to consult a male webcam studio, on-site in the US or especially Europe, for a few months. There's much some of these studios could put into practice, to earn bigger audience shares, by having the male models do more nude shows and teases.

    Amateur male models are earning huge amounts, with various types and forms of nudity, while the studio models are sitting there fully-clothed and yawning.


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    "Tip if your wife will let you."

    Isn't that the truth!


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    Do you guys like arab guys on cam? that's what I'm in :-)
    Ali - webmaster of xarabcam.com and beur.xxx

    Become affiliate of my website and earn 40% commission (PPS-recurrent)


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    Saturday afternoon, I did my first live broadcast on Chaturbate!

    I had a group of viewers right away because of my chest Fur! And I picked up 12 "followers" who will get e-mail notifications each time I next go on-line.

    I played some of my favorite HiNRG Disco music from the 70s and 80s, and chatted (typed) with viewers about my videos.

    It was a fun relaxation time, after a morning of doing some brain-teasing PHP code writing.

    There was some pretty large competition at the same time. I might try different to aim for different time zones in the future, to see where my audience is.

    I would have bigger numbers if I had someone performing with me, but for now, my presence there will be a "softer" show, without all the disappointments that often go with duo shows - where one performer often can't get it up and can't get it off, despite the hot co-performer and the big build-up to what eventually doesn't happen after all.

    There was one of those yesterday. This naked guitar player has been doing solo shows for sometime, either naked singing, shower, or actual jerk off, with toys in his butt. Yesterday, to everyone's shock, he's on with a girl! Big buildup that they are "fuck buddies". Not that I stuck with the show, but when I came back an hour later, she was gone, and he was mentioning that he ended "unsatisfied"!

    A couple of hours later, he's back to get "satisfied" by himself, and couldn't get hard. I guess he got off semi-soft, from his chatter in the shower the next time I popped in on his show. The day before, he did a naked singing show, with another male naked singer. He seemed to be pretty into that!


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    Arab guys are interesting - although I'm not sure we Americans geographically think of Turkey as "Arab".

    I like the body hair, although it looks shorter and coarser than northern European/English soft body hair like mine. They usually are very athletic, or at least physically fit, judging by the prominent six-pack. Better fed and more fit than Americans and a lot of Brit broadcasters.

    I also like the typically circumcised "Arab" men, in contrast to the typically uncircumcised European, South American and Asian men. That provides some contrast - which gives appreciation and anticipation for what the guy might have in his pants. Based on religion, and religious practices, "Arabs" should be circumcised. That includes Jews and Muslims. But possibly not circumcised, for neighboring Catholic countries.

    But the other part of this, has to do with where, actually, these "Arab" men are broadcasting from. Europe and the UK have high immigration rates of men and women from oil producing countries. Therefore, they may be an "Arab" in London, just as there are Americans in London! Part of the draw of live cam shows has to do with ethnicity and meeting men of all ethnic heritages, the other has to do with "travel," and transporting oneself to another country.

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    Do you guys like arab guys on cam? that's what I'm in :-)


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    OMG!

    I made my frist $.52 USD promoting Chaturbate!

    Looks like they'll be buying me lunch soon!

    I do like it there. There's some pretty hot shows. There's some pretty interesting stories developing there.

    From ex Porn Stars who have gone on to Cam performing, to one Twink ex Porn Star who did duos with one Cam performer, left him and is now doing shows with another guy... and the little turf rivalry going on between the jilted performer and the new one.

    The ex Porn star Twink and the original guy were netting $300/fuck show - even when the guy couldn't get hard, so he couldn't keep the ex Porn Twink Star on his leash and lost a cash cow!

    The European cam studios are putting some of their guys on CB. They don't speak English, so mostly they sit there like a bump on a log, thinking that Americans and South Americans with money want to tip to watch them masturbate. Guess what... NOT!

    You need to put on a show. Speak English, not just type "Tip Guys". Create conversation. get out of the chair and show off a bit.

    I like broadcasting there. They like my fur.


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