Copyright Policy

[codar]

While browsing some avs sites of our well known avs system, I noticed that some avs sites are promoting paysites using a great amount of their pictures, then I saw most of them are coming from gayquality.com. By checking paysites' affiliate programs, GayQuality is promoting, I saw no promo content is being offered to webmasters. Now, without intention to accuse anyone, especially GayQuality, I'm wondering how legal this is? Is there a some kind of deal between GQ and paysites' webmasters or I'm missing something here.
I have a great amount of licenced material and am doing very badly promoting paysites because I don't have original content from their site. I'm also wondering how **** is reacting on something like this.

Once again, sorry for bringing up some names, but it's either unfair policy of paysites or unfair policy of our well known gay avs system or I'm missing a great amount of experience.


Cheers,
Codar

[Dzinerbear]

It's very highly possibly that gayquality has spoken to the paysite and obtained permission to use the content.

In my own case, I've been given content above and beyond what is available in a program's marketing area, and in some cases I've even be given permission to take whatever I needed. But these privileges didn't just happen, it took many months of being on this board, getting to know sponsors, showing my integrity, and working on my sites. And I don't think this is an unfair of sponsors, they've spent a lot of money producing their content, they should have control over where it's being used. And since their content is a precious commodity, I don't think it's unfair that in some cases they might hand out some extra content to some webmasters they know will respect it and use it wisely.

We've seen a lot of examples where a sponsor's content is not being used to promote them in free sites, TGPs, and AVS sites.

As far as copyright, you are right to be concerned. You should ask before you take (even pictures from a program's readily available tours). It's just common courtesy. You should always make sure that you're only using the content to promote that sponsor.

I don't think you can say that this situation is unfair because you didn't get the content and someone else did. And indeed, even if the sponsors said directly to you, "I'm not giving you any, but I gave some to John Webmaster yesterday," it's his content, he can do with it what he likes. If you think a sponsor is being unfair after you've investigated it, then don't promote them.

Cheers
Dzinerbear

[codar]

Well, I must agree with you that paysite webmasters can decide what to do with their content, I've been a paysite webmaster myself, but in this case I think that there is simple too much content "borrowed" for promotion. AVS webmasters should stand up against such affiliate programs, although it's legal, it is also unfair. At least, paysites webmasters should notice newly joined affiliates what content is free to promote and that they are ready to make custom deals regarding promo content.
I would like to hear someone from GayQuality, how indeed they got their content. Also I wanted to stress that AVS systems should be more demanding regarding copyright policy. Maybe they should not approve sites that do not have required 2257 info and demand for each site that webmaster should submit their content source.

Codar

[Dzinerbear]

Originally posted by codar
Also I wanted to stress that AVS systems should be more demanding regarding copyright policy.

But if the site owner got permission from the paysite to use the content then no copyright has been broken.

Have you talked to the owner of gayquality? It doesn't sound like you have. Do you know for sure he's broken a copyright or are you just throwing around wil accusations. It sounds like you're pissed because you don't have access to the same content.

Dzinerbear

[Wowmediacash]

Thanks for feedback Dzinerbear for Codar. Codar, if one of our avs built web sites features a paysites content then we always have special permission from the licensed owners at all times.

***-Tech has known us long enough to know how we operated and communicates with us regularly on a daily basis. All our content used on the avs sites we build is containing licensed content either used with permission from a pay site or is licensed or owned by us.

If you would like to know more or we can help you feel free drop me a line.

[Wowmediacash]

Actually codar, please pm or email us, there are obviously some issues you have but not quite sure who you are, so the easiest thing is to communicate and sort them out. Thanks.

[codar]

With all apologizes to GayQuality again, webmasters who run affiliate programs are one to blame. While you guys have access to hi-quality promo content, newbie avs webmasters are stuck with few banners and few tgp galleries at best. This is unfair policy and that lead us to such state on many AVS: You have few very "big" webmasters and few Russians who submit their own avs sites and that's all. People get bored of this. AVS systems became just another version of TGPs, they are here to attract traffic to paysites, instead to premium avs sites. So, small webmaster is forced to make their own paysite instead of network of avs and avs premium sites. Webmaster who purchases license for his own content and put few sponsor banners can't expect much anymore. I've spent $3.500 on licenced content from Ounique and CheapContent and tried to promote paysites with similar content genre and I've got nothing! I'm now running a Porn Directory. I've joined almost all affiliate programs I could find. My site is full of paysites, but really traffic makers should be independent small avs sites and free sites with their own content.
Now, don't take this as an offense Peter, you are doing great job and you can submit your sites to my Porn Directory anytime you want. This is the message to AVS guys: You have to change something in near future, otherwise your business is in danger!

Cheers!
Codar

[Dzinerbear]

Maybe instead of tar and feathering the entire gay paysite/AVS industry, you could ask for some very experienced webmasters for their suggestions on how you could make a more successful go of it. The fact that you aren't making as much money you want is not completely the fault of paysites that won't give you content. Sorry, it's just not like that.

There are two threads recently in which we offered the owners of workinmenmovies.com and boysthatgay.com suggestions on how to improve their products. I'd search them out myself, but frankly, I can't be bothered because all you seem to want to do is complain. Both program owners seemed happy with our suggestions, and in fact, they both improved their sites.

Cheers
Dzinerbear

[jIgG]

nonononono

the difference between the n00b and someone like peterf is trust. and trust is earned. you can't expect to come in, get a pass for the site get in and swipe all the content you want. way too many times people would do the opposite the program owner asked. instead of only 10 pics per set they'd lift 20 or 30 because they think they know better or won't get caught (ref codes anyone?)

I'm going to be open here, Peterf's sites do have similar design with one another, whatever it works for him. but at least he's using good content and lot of it paid for from what i've seen.


the problem with AVS is those with the really old photo sets or those that don't even buy sets at all but decide to lift a pic here and there.

the other problem with AVS is that the reviewers aren't webmasters most of the time, so to them all sites are one and the same as they have a little concept of what to look for in a site, or which pics have been plastered everywhere

if you've spent $3500 on Ounique content as you say you have then it's something that you're doing that's wrong, not PeterF's fault or the program owners.

[Chilihost]

Originally posted by jIgG
the difference between the n00b and someone like peterf is trust. and trust is earned.

I totally agree, as a newbie you should not go around criticising the relationships of experienced webmasters with their affiliate partners. Instead, you should be on these boards chatting and asking for assistance and guidance, there are a lot of very experienced webmasters that help with absolutely nothing in it for them. Once you have earned a level of trust, I am sure you will easily be able to make deals with other webmasters too.

cheers,
Luke

[Lee]

Good response jigg

Regards,

Lee

[Wowmediacash]

I think just about everythings been said for this one And thanks to those that did.