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    Sexstacy - Gay 'Recreational' Drug Use On The Rise

    Unnecessary use of erectile drugs like Viagra seems to be on the upswing.

    Part of the blame falls on marketing campaigns, said Dr. Jeffrey Klausner, an epidemiologist at the San Francisco Department of Public Health, who co-authored a study on the recreational use of the drugs, which also include Levitra and Cialis.

    "I think its been marketed in such a way that people associated the use of drugs like Viagra with more sexual power, more machismo, more sex appeal," he said. "Selling the drug as a sexual enhancer will cause people to try it and use it."

    It worked on model Carmen Electra and her rocker-husband, Dave Navarro of the Red Hot Chili Peppers. They both took the drug on their wedding night.

    "We both did because we just thought it would give us a little extra, you know, I don't know, something," Electra said, on an episode of "Late Night With Conan O'Brien," which aired Jan. 19.

    The drugs seem to be particularly popular among gay and bisexual men.

    Klausner worked on a study completed in 2002, which found that 20 percent to 30 percent of men who have sex with men reported use of erectile drugs. The biggest increase in use has been among men between the ages of 20 and 45. Usage among older men has remained fairly stable, which also suggests an increase in recreational use of the drug, Klausner said.

    More than half of the recreational users in the survey reported that they got the drugs from friends or on the street.

    "Among those that do get it from the doctor, it's very easy," Klausner said. "Many doctors don't feel comfortable taking a sexual history."

    Some recreational users take erectile drugs as a way to combat the effects of other drugs such as alcohol, cocaine or Esctasy. It's often used particularly with methamphetamine, which is known to cause increased sexual desire while inhibiting the ability to get an erection, Klausner said.

    Mixing drugs and erectile medication can be particularly dangerous, and the problem compounds itself when people obtain the drugs illegally without medical consultation.

    "There's a reason they're controlled, and you're required to get a prescription ... and that reason is personal safety and medical oversight," said Lt. J. Wayne Sears of the Rocky Mount Police Department. "They're taking a chance with their health as well as breaking the law."

    Keeping the drugs in the hands of people who legitimately need them, can be tough. There is no definitive test for erectile dysfunction.

    There is something called the stamp test, said Dr. Chris Petrus of Rocky Mount Urology Associates.

    Patients wrap their penises with special stamps before they fall asleep. If they experience an erection while asleep, which most men commonly do, the seals on the stamps will be broken. Still, the test relies on the honesty of the patient.

    "The main thing is they have to have a history of erectile disfunction," Petrus said. "They complain of being able to not get an erection or not be able to maintain one long enough to get an orgasm."

    Recreational use of the drug is a widespread problem, Sears said. In pharmacies, the drugs sell for about $10 a tablet. On the black market, they start at $10. Sears warned that many of the drugs are counterfeit. They may have the proper markings and color, but not contain any — or perhaps only a portion — of the proper drug.

    Fraud is also an issue, particularly online.

    It could be outright fraud, where customers don't receive the pills they've ordered, or they may receive a counterfeit drug. Sometimes, a play on words may lead some people to believe they're receiving Viagra when they might be getting an herbal remedy.

    When buying pills online, Sears recommends sticking with well-known, well-established pharmacies who use e-business as a part of a larger operation. By law, all sites selling erectile drugs must require a prescription.

    Klausner believes that a change in marketing and stronger oversight of the drugs must be implemented.

    "We've had some success and some sobering of the marketing, but certainly nothing that's been adequate to stem the increase in recreational use," Klausner said.

    Possession of Viagra without a prescription is a Class I misdemeanor punishable by up to two years in prison and up to a $500 fine. The illegal sale of the drugs is a Class I felony, and it's punishable on a case-by-case basis depending on the seller's prior record, Sears said.

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    Interesting to read how these types of things get started, i also wasnt aware that possesion of Viagra without a prescription was a felony.

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    Lee


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    I hate to tell them, but this isn't "news." Just like the crystal meth problem the media's all hyped about these days isn't "news."

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    Selling it is the felony, possessing it without a prescription is just a misdemeanor.

    What kind of idiots order fake pills off the internet anyway?

    It's pretty sad that some guys are fucking themselves up so much on other drugs that they have to take Viagra just to get hard.
    The psa's of the 80s mostly worked their magic on me, I don't do drugs or drink. I'd even have a major problem with taking something like Viagra until it had been on the market for a long, long while. Long enough to fully establish side effects and possible problems. I'm not on any prescription meds, and it would take a really debilitating or degenerating illness to get me on them.

    Viagra is just another meth/ecstasy/cocaine...a "good times" drug, and it's pathetic.


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    Of course, what is wrong with taking Viagra purely as a sexual enhancer? Is this San Francisco public health doctor implying that it is inappropriate to ever take anything to enhance yourself?

    The writer specifically states: "Keeping the drugs in the hands of people who legitimately **need** them, can be tough." Here we fall again into a slippery slope criticism of behavior and activity.

    Remember the song from the 80s... "People are still having sex...."

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    I don't really think it's appropriate to be on a prescription drug just to "enhance" your sex life, but that's a matter of personal opinion. There is nothing wrong with taking a pill to get an erection if you couldn't without it though. It's all symantics, it dosn't hurt anyone but the person taking the pills, if then, anyway. Let people take rat poison disguised as Viagra that they order through some seedy internet site, if they want to. Who cares?


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    I've tried Viagra because sometime it just doesn't perk up like it should. (Hmmm..how many gay men would admit *that*)

    FWIW, and this was a few years back, I *had* to order it off of the internet. The local doctors I spoke with did not want to prescribe Viagra under any circumstances, though they did offer to give me Prozac because sometimes it has a side effect of increasing erections. If you have a cold, or *any* condition you can be sure your local doctor is more than happy to prescribe Prozac.

    It does work. The system is just ridiculous that is in place. Internet pharmacies are as real as Canadian pharmacies because lots of doctors are still stuck in 1959. But once again you have "ban internet pharmacies" instead of putting a system in place to make them real and safe.

    It's curious, this limited capitalist system. If any sale applies to sex, it's considered bad, unsafe, and unsavory. Otherwise, it's fine. People buy fake things all the time off of eBay. I've known people to get their Jamaican Blue coffee off of eBay since it's cheaper. Is it real? Who knows.

    Caveat emptor. It should be set up like any other pharmacy - you should be able to check the registration, etc., online, and of course a doctor's consult should be involved. I for one believe the whole prescription drug market in general is a pretty big racket - I mean, I think it was Vioxx gets FDA approval despite fatal side effects? To act as if the problem is the internet is absurd. A pharmacist in a small Vermont town was just suspended last year for selling Oxycodone without scrips.

    Americans in general really have a problem it seems with taking personal responsibility. Coffee too hot at McDonald's? Sue them. Canadians make fun of us because we have to put signs up on bridges saying they may freeze before roads. Until people start accepting that at least some of what happens is not somebody else's fault, the government will keep stepping in - and mucking things up.

    Moralizing "I don't do drugs" is also IMO opinion a bit silly. It's that Nancy Reagan-era programming that created a multi-billion dollar industry in this country. Sure, people get messed up on drugs. Prescription or non. But whose responsibility is it to ensure their life is on track? Theirs.

    -doug


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    Quote Originally Posted by desslock
    Of course, what is wrong with taking Viagra purely as a sexual enhancer?
    um.. the fact that it isn't one, maybe?

    if you don't suffer from erectile disfunction, it won't do shit for you, other than give you an erection that won't go away, and maybe a heart attack.

    The marketing that Viagra has done was pulled from the airwaves,because it made it look like Viagra makes you horny, makes you moresexually powerful and gives you more stamina. (did you see the commercial with the older hunk who got horny when he saw the women's lingerie, supposedly for his wife? you won't anymore.. they had to pull the ad, because it seemed to suggest that Viagra gave you back your sex drive.It doesn't. If you have no sex drive, you can take them and get hard, but not be turned on at all.. what fun would THAT be?)

    Women have even been taking it, even though study after study showed that it did nothing for them at all other than cause the odd death-by-heart attack.

    But hey, men, go ahead.. take all you want...Just make sure you sign your will first.
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    One more story.

    yes, when drunk, once or twice, I've had a bit of trouble keeping little Jasun at attention.

    I've never taken drugs for it, because it's never stopped me from getting into it..it just takes me a bit longer..and hey.. stamina is the name of the game.

    But once I was about to shag a guy who,when we got back to his place, popped a Viarga and offered me one before we did the deed.

    I'm sure he got a raging boner.

    But I can't tell you for sure...I left as soon as I saw that.

    My attitude is that if you're gonna be popping drugs you don't need, you're probably popping shit like crystal meth... and I'm outta there, if that's the case... no moralizing, exactly, but guys who pop drugs like candy are the ones who are most likely to be spreading around the shit that i don't want... so..I'll just protect myself any way I see fit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crescentx
    FWIW, and this was a few years back, I *had* to order it off of the internet.

    Moralizing "I don't do drugs" is also IMO opinion a bit silly. It's that Nancy Reagan-era programming that created a multi-billion dollar industry in this country. Sure, people get messed up on drugs. Prescription or non. But whose responsibility is it to ensure their life is on track? Theirs.

    -doug
    I wasn't implying that all internet "pharmacies" are fakes or scams. Just that people should take the time to really study and know what they are putting into their bodies.

    As far as "moralizing" not using drugs, I do think it's something to be proud of, and even brag about. I also didn't mind those reagan-era psa's. They got the message across to me when I was a kid, loud and clear:
    If you put shit into your body, eventually you'll turn into a big pile of shit.

    There are definately way too many people complaining about being turned into shitpiles, by drugs (prescription and non), fast food, junk food, etc. I agree personal responsiblity really needs to make a BIG comeback.


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    Quote Originally Posted by crescentx
    Moralizing "I don't do drugs" is also IMO opinion a bit silly. It's that Nancy Reagan-era programming that created a multi-billion dollar industry in this country. Sure, people get messed up on drugs. Prescription or non. But whose responsibility is it to ensure their life is on track? Theirs.

    -doug
    So by not taking drugs, he's ensuring his life is on track.

    I say good on 'im
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    What a bunch of judgemental thugs, . Relax guys.

    Viagra isn't good to use with poppers or for those with high blood pressure. But other than a stuffy nose and a little headache, it's pretty harmless. Does it work? Yes. If you are over 40, your erections aren't as firm as they used to be. If you want to take a little blue pill to get that 19 year old boner that you used to have... go for it!

    I've ordered Viagra and Cialis from kwikmed.com. They do an online doctor consultation (haha) and give you a prescription. It's pretty expensive but if you get the strongest prescription and split the pill, it's a lot cheaper. Btw, Cialis is better than Viagra because the effects can last for 24 hours. And no, that doesn't mean that you will be hard for 24 hours... it's just doesn't take as much stimulation to get and stay hard during those 24 hours.

    I don't do other recreational drugs. I haven't even smoked marijuana in 10 years. I don't have erectile disfunction. But boner drugs can sure be fun in the bedroom.


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    yeah, but Xstra8guy, let's not forget that Viagra has been proven to lead to heart attacks in many of the people taking it.

    it causes blue vision.

    It can kill you.

    I'm not saying that everyone taking it is gonna die or is crawling with crabs and herpes, but that I stay away from the PNP people like I stay away from clowns, spiders and my mother.
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    I haven't heard any buzz about Viagra causing heart attacks in a very long time. In fact, Viagra was developed to decrease the risk of heart attacks. A quick google search returned only old results.

    http://archives.cnn.com/2001/HEALTH/.../viagra.heart/
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1222228.stm
    http://www.drmirkin.com/men/2278.html


    Blue vision... never heard of it. Hmmm, there doesn't seem to be a lot of concern over this temporary side effect.
    Viagra does not damage sight - except rarely in those with damaged optic blood vessels. Viagra can change vision in some people - who see a blue tinge which wears off several hours after Viagra use. Viagra study by Dr Tim McCulley, assistant professor of ophthalmology at Irvine - Opthalmogica Journal January 2003
    The use of poppers and Viagra is indeed a deadly mix...
    http://www.aegis.com/news/wb/2001/WB011101.html


    Btw Jasun, I think riding motorcycles is far more dangerous than popping a Viagra once or twice a month.
    About 16 million men worldwide have taken Viagra. As of September 2001, 640 deaths were reported worldwide
    Although the number of total highway deaths in 2003 was pretty much on par with 2002, motorcycle-related deaths rose a painful 11 percent, as 3,592 riders died on U.S. highways last year vs. 3,244 in 2002.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasun
    um.. the fact that Viagra isn't one, maybe? (a sexual enhancer)

    if you don't suffer from erectile disfunction, it won't do shit for you, other than give you an erection that won't go away, and maybe a heart attack.
    Well then let's look at sun tanning. Are there any health risks from laying out in the sun every day? Do lots of young people engage in this frequent, risky behavior? Could this be characterized as reckless? Could this be something that could kill you fatally in 10, 20 or 30 years?

    In fact, lots of people tan because they believe that will improve their sexlife.
    (we could of course get into a discussion of proper health policy extending to prohibited suntanning by city ordinances, or, engaging in personal jihads to scare people from stepping into the sunlight)

    So why not pop a viagra on occasion? And why is the San Fransisco Health Dept. studying who is using it for what.....

    I am just asking a philosophical question - why can't viagra be taken (or whatever else) for purely recreational reasons. I'm not advocating abusing the little blue pill.... but that article with the San Francisco health doctor implied that the whole "point" was to get drugs into the hands of people that "need" them. And they of course define someone's need as what they happen to see themselves.

    What are they saying? Is it that gays are abusing viagra to have lots of promiscuous sex and spread virulent std's? And note the article fingers the "evil drug companies" for marketing viagra. Gotta get them in there.

    Why isn't this falling off the slippery slope of moralizing? I was merely analyzing the article that Lee posted with what I see as Americans' neurotic approach to drugs. And interestingly, people simultaneously crave drugs from doctors... many to the point that they feel like prescription drugs should be an entitlement. But that's another issue :eek:

    Steve


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    I smoke, I drink (ocassionally), lay out in the sun and once or twice a month, I take a Cialis.

    But I'll probably get hit by Jasun on his motorcycle when I'm crossing Sunset Blvd. :hmmph:


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