There is an interesting post on GFY about which sites rip off people with lousy members' area, meaning poor content, not enough content, etc. Of course, being GFY, the thred quicky descended into name calling and off-topic obscenities! But was wondering what gay sites are misleading "rip-offs."
Anyone?
Lol, I'm not sure anyone will want to piss off sponsors/potential sponsors to this board.But it is a good question.
I'm not gonna name names, but I'll give you some blatent generalizations... so take them at face value.
Anyone offering payouts that exceed the billing price isn't playing the quality game, but strategizing more along the lines of "we'll shave the webmaster, and jerk the surfer through 10,000,000 exit consoles, cross sells, and have a members area that consists purely of upsells."
I think you can tell a lot about a program just by what their payout price is. More isn't necessarily better. I'd say higher payouts basically translates to "our site sucks, and we need more traffic to throw at it to make it convert, so we're willing to pay you more to get you in the door and send traffic". So higher payouts don't necessarily mean you'll make more money promoting someone. Just means you'll see more webmasters trying to send them traffic, despite being complete shit quality.
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i think it is extremely important to tell your surfers exactly what they will get in the members are BEFORE they join, this is the best way to avoid chargebacks.
cheers,
Luke
For sponsors it can be traced back to 2001 and 2002 when the onslaught of sponsor companies started up. When I say "sponsor companies" you know the type I'm talking about.
That was the time period when people realized you could make big bucks off a large affiliate base regardless of your actual product's quality.
Think of the very best sites out there content wise. They may have an affiliate program, but their entire business isn't (or hasn't always been) based around being a well known sponsor. They have the ability to honestly sell a legit product on their own. They know what sells. They know what retains. They've been there before without an affiliate base backing them and have been successful without scamming. Certain "sponsor companies" can't say most of that no matter how big their names may seem.
I'm Guilty as Charged!
I promote this one sponsor pretty aggressively but i have NO IDEA why anyone would want to join their site OR why they'd even want to stay around after seeing their member's section.
Sounds real bad but hey, they convert really well. I've been in their members’ area a few times and it's total crap! I just join to get promotional content at times and then i get out as soon as i can, it's that bad. Crappy design, content, and layout. You name it, it sucks!
The only reason i'm staying with them is that they payout a high one-time fee for their FREE 3day trial memberships! Who doesn't want free porn, right? Well i mean obviously their numbers show that enough of these free trials turn into paid memberships, so they can afford to do this. But it still bothers me thinking about all those guy's who're unexpectedly getting charged after their trial ends, but it's right there in writing so what can you do.
LOLOLOL every time i have doubts about whether the pay-site that i'm putting together will make money, i think about their site and i immediately feel better, knowing damn well that people will buy anything!!
hmmmm....I love them!!
Originally Posted by Matt 26z
This is definitely the case with the sponsor i was talking about above...but it's still true today...it's all about traffic...people will buy whatever you may be selling.
This is changing, but as it stands today, there are still A LOT of shitty gay sites out there that are doing really well.
although what you say is all too often true, any program with a great member area that retains on average over two months can easily afford to pay out $30 on a $24.95 signup - especially if they have an exit console and a few nice upsells in the member area. i promote several revshare sites where i make $45 - $60 per join.
besides, programs like nastydollars don't pay for the trials if the trial member cancels immediately. i was pleasantly surprised how few DID cancel immediately :-)
$60 per signup? That sounds like an awesome deal. Can you let us know who offers this?
The most that i'm earning on one-time payouts is $35. But my friend recently signed up with Randy Blue and i think he's making $55 per sale.
revshare and per signup are two different models. revshare means that the program and you split the money spent by surfers you send who buy - 50/50 is industry standard, i'd say.
I'm familiar with that concept but i guess when i heard you said $45-60 per join, i assumed that you meant per signup. So did you actually mean $45-60 per join over an extended period of time, with the recurring billing? If that's what you were talking about...Wow! i can't believe that you can actually keep track of signups to that degree! That's awesome. Does your affiliate stats provide you with that info? I primarily use CCBill, do you know if i could track such info with their affiliate program?
In my personal opinion, I never came across a site that would be so god that I'd be wishing to pay for it for ages...
Rarely who actually delivers what they say.... and in fact, when you're horny you'll buy just about anything.... It's like watching porn movies: who the fuck watches them from the beginning to the end? I don't know anyone; one usually watches so long untill ... well you know
I am same with the paysites... actually the only "paysites" that I'm willing to stick around are more or less AEN's or similiar, where you actually get tons of (sometimes very boring and repetative) sites..
I don't know... maybe I'm not a regular Joe Blow.. but I've been member to most of the big sites and I was ALWAYS disappointed....
from Badpuppy, Chisel, Bedfelow, Gaymen, GalaxyMale, FalconStudios to AbsolutelyMale and tons of others... Either they promise things you can hardly locate, they promise way too much, have tons of outside content which you have to pay for, are plain disgustingly ugly, have outdated content, or just think that by having tons of poor plugin videos that you'd be just over your head...
I'm not also sure what a perfect member site should look like... Why not talk about that? Can you think of any site that has a BLOW ME NOW member area? (It needn't be your sponsor
I know what you mean Dalimili. I don't like that general "mega-site" crap either. I find that i prefer amateur sites with exclusive guys with photos and videos...this way you develop a "connection" (ok maybe an "obsession" hehe) with some of the regular guys and that way it's sooo much hotter watching them in sexual acts.from Badpuppy, Chisel, Bedfelow, Gaymen, GalaxyMale, FalconStudios to AbsolutelyMale and tons of others... Either they promise things you can hardly locate, they promise way too much, have tons of outside content which you have to pay for, are plain disgustingly ugly, have outdated content, or just think that by having tons of poor plugin videos that you'd be just over your head...
I'm not also sure what a perfect member site should look like... Why not talk about that? Can you think of any site that has a BLOW ME NOW member area? (It needn't be your sponsor
So a site that I finding myself going back to on a regular basis is Seancody.com. It's simple and straight forward, nice design, you get both videos and pics (even if they are vid caps), their videos are downloadable with a very good quality, and their guys are hot. This is one of the only sites that i can actually say i buy a membership to every so often.
There are a few other sites that i find very hot (straightcollegemen.com, amateurstraightguys.com, corbinfisher.com, bukbuddies.com, jakecruise.com, jerkoffguys.com) but they haven't made me want to signup with them. Well, actually I've signed up with each one of them maybe once in the past, but that's about it.
What do you guys think? is it only my straight-boy fetish, or do you guys also find these sites hot?
ccbill affiliate stats shows the member, and the original date he signed up. so you can very easily track duration of memberships. a very cool tool!
I've subscribed to a few sites of people who post on the boards. I was shocked to find memebers areas with around 10 videos , a few galleries and tons of advertising all for over $20 a month! Then they pose as experts on the boards, post about what ethical business people they are, giving the members what they want etc. etc.
Through the years I've been in this business I've found good people are hard to find. So when you do find them be thankful and don't take them for granted.
Snowboy I find those sites hot too.
basschick I hate to say it but I've found that on sites where the affiliates are controlled by CCBill or Verotell, my conversions have been exactly consistant, while a banner with an affiliate, in the same spot, that pays $40 per signup is strangely lacking is sales. In the end you make as much on the $40 signup sites as you do a 50/50 split with CCBill or Verotel. That's been my experience.
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