argh! my free site sucks!!!!!!!!

[basschick]

after not making a free site for years and years, i tried my hand at one. i looked at what was out there on the link lists i wanted to post at, and i saw sites that were much more aggressive than what i made, but i wanted to get posted and the rules and what i saw didn't always agree. so i went fairly conservative.

i made my site, it got posted, and after 1200 hits from JUB, i sent a whopping 30 hits to one sponsor, and 30 hits to the other. YUCK!!!!!!!!

are there any free site masters out there?

[IntenseCash.com]

If you post the url here I am sure we can all take a look and give you some help.

Mark

[basschick]

i'm embarrassed to even show it to people after its performance...

http://jackingit.com/jog/

btw, do you think these lists would allow text links? some said not, but the recips look awful - and i worked on them.

[Dzinerbear]

I attended a freesite at the Phoenix Forum, it was led by the guys who run this straight freesite: http://www.atkingdom.com/kingdom1b.htm

I was so impressed with these guys. They were so smart and seem to base the placement and selection of every picture and piece of text on research. And they said their free site generates about 50-60 sales a day for their paysite, so I guess they're doing something right.

The one thing that the said is that you've got to build the freesite and update it consistently. You probably won't get much off it in the beginning. But if you update it regularly and always on the same day, you'll begin to build a large bookmarking base.

Another point: don't overpromise and under deliver.

Another point: the TGP model gives surfers too many free pictures. With 16 pictures, you've pretty much give the surfer enough to cum on. Their freesites only have 6 pics per gallery.

I don't know much about freesites myself because I haven't ever done one, but these guys impressed me enough to think about starting one.

dzinerbear

[Lee]

The one thing that the said is that you've got to build the freesite and update it consistently.

Hmm.. Thats a new one on me.

Free sites are generally a collection of 20-30 pics, thrown on 3 gallerys and linked together with a menu page and a warning page thrown on the front which has recip links on it.

Freesites should really never be updated.. EVER!

Build, submit, forget. Thats the whole point of free sites, mass sites generating mass traffic.

Regards,

Lee

[Dzinerbear]

That's one approach, I guess Lee. These guys decided to create a more permanent freesite that gets updated. They decided against the TGP model because they didn't want to give away that much content on one model. And I'd say they're definitely onto a good thing because their company employs 17 people, so they're pulling in the bucks.

These guys really blew me away.

dzinerbear

[Lee]

That's one approach, I guess Lee. These guys decided to create a more permanent freesite that gets updated. They decided against the TGP model because they didn't want to give away that much content on one model. And I'd say they're definitely onto a good thing because their company employs 17 people, so they're pulling in the bucks.

These guys really blew me away.

dzinerbear

Michael,

That site you posted previous ISNT a free site, its a hub site. That is why it is regularly updated.

Free sites are nothing more than what Patti posted, a bunch of galleries thrown on a navigation page and a wanring page at the beginning with recip links on it.

The main difference between a 'hub' and a 'free site' is that a free site, is built, submitted and forgotten about whilst a 'hub' is maintained regularly and, should link to ALL of your TGP galleries and free sites in addition to any aen/avs sites you have and paysites you own in addition to your sponsors.

Regards,

Lee

[Dzinerbear]

Lee,

tomato ... tomahhhhhhto, I guess.

The guys running the ATK Galeria are calling it a free site and they were running a seminar about freesites. So I was just reporting what I heard. And just because a freesite traditionally was a stand-alone, throw-away site that's never updated doesn't mean it has to stay that way. Just because we always "did" doesn't mean we always have to.

I think of freesite more that you don't have to pay to see any porn rather than how it's constructed or how big it is. ButI guess in a strict sense of the word "freesite" as defined by people who run link lists and accept "freesites" for listings, the ATK Galeria wouldn't be considered a "freesite." But don't discount the wisdom because the vernacular is different. These guys make a shitload of money and send a ton of traffic to their main sponsor, which just happens to be their paysite.

Maybe basschick's freesite "sucked" and didn't get her the results that she hoped for because surfers are tired of stand-alone, never-updated freesites with 20 pics. I know they're tired of TGP thumbs that don't click to galleries and AVS galleries with three pics and a join script.

dzinerbear

[Lee]

Lee,

tomato ... tomahhhhhhto, I guess.

The guys running the ATK Galeria are calling it a free site and they were running a seminar about freesites. So I was just reporting what I heard. And just because a freesite traditionally was a stand-alone, throw-away site that's never updated doesn't mean it has to stay that way. Just because we always "did" doesn't mean we always have to.

I think of freesite more that you don't have to pay to see any porn rather than how it's constructed or how big it is. ButI guess in a strict sense of the word "freesite" as defined by people who run link lists and accept "freesites" for listings, the ATK Galeria wouldn't be considered a "freesite." But don't discount the wisdom because the vernacular is different. These guys make a shitload of money and send a ton of traffic to their main sponsor, which just happens to be their paysite.

Maybe basschick's freesite "sucked" and didn't get her the results that she hoped for because surfers are tired of stand-alone, never-updated freesites with 20 pics. I know they're tired of TGP thumbs that don't click to galleries and AVS galleries with three pics and a join script.

dzinerbear

Michael,

I completely understand what you are saying and, in part you are correct, free is free however, in the adult industry, certainly for the last 10+ years a 'free site' has been exactly what i have mentioned above, a site that you build, submit and forget about.

The whole purpose of a 'free site' in 'industry' terms, is that it is a quick way to generate traffic en mass and it needs no 'maintenance' after it has been uploaded.

The site which you posted a link to, in 'industry' terms, is a HUB nothing more, nothing less, a privately owned 'link list' if you want that contains links to nobodys but the owners and sponsors sites whatever type of site they may be.

Vernacular aside, the 'meaning' of 'free site' in the industry in terms of 'building' them and in terms of 'marketing' them are two different things, lets not get caught up in the literal or perceived meaning of the words.

Another way of lookin at a 'free site' is to think of it as an AEN site, without the AEN script.

Regards,

Lee

[Xstr8guy]

I'm an AVS guy, but I've thought about doing some freesites too. I've been researching them by surfing some of the big link lists.

And basschick, your site looks pretty much like everything that is out there. The only problem I see is that the images are screen caps and that doesn't flatter the paysite that you are promoting.

I think Michael's outside-the-box thinking is probably the wave of the future. Just because something has always been done a particular way, does that mean we can't try something a little different? The major handicap is trying to get LL owners to change.

[Top Cat]

Again my standard disclaimer:

I am SOOOOO not an expert!

OK, my one thought is it seems the content and the sponsor links are too distinct. I might add more links along the lines of "Click here to see Guy shoot his load" Or "Click to watch Guy's real amateur video."

I did notice the ATK Galleria has great design: simple, clear and professional, and excellent images. I wonder if tweaking the design and using at least some non-video caps would help.

I also didn't see a 2257 notice on your site and was wondering about that.

[Dzinerbear]

basschick,

I don't know if this is a part of your problem, but the big "Click here ..." link at the bottom of this page: http://jackingit.com/jog/1/ is timing out for me.

dzinerbear

[BDBionic]

I'm diggin much of what Michael's said here.
If how free sites have been done and how everyone's been doing them aren't really cuttin' it anymore, switch things up a bit!

[dirtygeek]

Basschick, you can use a text link instead of a banner link to JUB.

btw, do you think these lists would allow text links? some said not, but the recips look awful - and i worked on them.

[basschick]

i find it funny that the people holding a freesite seminar don't know what a freesite IS **

Dzinerbear - thanks. that is not good news as it is my own paysite.

had the freesite been done correctly, i should have had more hits BEFORE the surfers ever got to the galleries. i am using links that click quite well on galleries - but it is obvious that this is not galleries...

Xstr8guy - thinking outside the box can be good, but many times i've seen it bring in less money than thinking inside the box. lots of people make large amounts of money on freesites, but they know things i was unsure about - mostly things like whether you can have a fpa between the enter link and the main page, and which link sites accept a text link.

also bec tells me that i should have my warning page banner up higher - above the recips. and she says that most link lists allow some unlinked sales text, too. i am still nervous that some link sites will turn down such a site, but i guess i'll find out.