Penis Pills - What's Wrong With The Adult Industry

[JustMe]

Greetings:

Originally posted here:
http://forums.gaywidewebmasters.com/...2&postcount=24

hehe thanks for the warm welcome. You seem pretty sure they don't work - been investing heavily in penis enlargement solutions have we?

Actually, our products do work, otherwise I wouldn't sell them. I don't believe in duping people into spending their money. We run a forum for all of our clients where they can trade tips, advice, etc (kind of like here but about...penises). They also post their results freely. We don't pay anyone to be there, even the moderators and there are no fake posters. Check it out http://www.penis-health.com/forum.html.

Any other questions or comments - fire away

Ok, I wasn't going to do this, but the company is doing EXACTLY what I feared they'd do. If you want to lie to the surfers that get thrown to your website, and have them waste their hard earned money on your crap, that's fine. However, coming HERE, and trying to sell your snake oil to webmasters, is another matter entirely. I absolutely DESPISE this type of practice.

Convince the webmasters here that your snake oil works, so they can convince surfers, so that you make money (a LOT of it) on stuff that does nothing for people who are already insecure about themselves. And shame on Lee for even taking your advertising money too! One has to wonder if he gave a damn about the webmasters on here, why he'd be allowing a company like yours to attempt to so blatantly manipulate them.

hehe thanks for the warm welcome. You seem pretty sure they don't work - been investing heavily in penis enlargement solutions have we?

Wow, that's the exact tactic that doctors say you guys use to discourage people from suing you about these pills. And no, I'm certainly not insecure about myself, and I have an IQ over 12, so have never "invested" in pills.

Do Penis Enlargement Pills Work?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4759445/
"Answer: They do not work. And few customer complaints ever occur because no one wants to be the plaintiff in a case against the companies that offer these bogus products."
- Louanne Cole Weston, Ph.D. clinical sex researcher

http://www.drdrew.com/article.asp?id=1315
"Natural methods are complete nonsense"
- Dr. Drew Host of the famous "Love Line"

http://www.jrn.columbia.edu/studentw...-04-30/535.asp
"pills don't work"
Dr. E. Douglas Whitehead, clinical professor of urology at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine

http://my.webmd.com/content/article/59/66861.htm
"No pill or potion can enlarge your sex organ, so don't waste your money."
Michael Castleman - author of 10 consumer health books and has written about sexuality for numerous magazines and web sites.

Why don't I see the names of any doctors on your website that say how well your product works? Oh, I know why. They want to keep their medical licenses!

They also post their results freely.

I don't need to visit another webboard to know that there are a lot of misguided, insecure, or just plain stupid people in the world.

Other penis pill companies (that are in the US) are facing class action lawsuits, have been raided by the FEDS, and are under active criminal investigations, AS ARE SOME OF THEIR AFFILIATES!

Oh, guess what? All of them had websites with all sorts of people posting their amazing results too. Imagine that.

In the wake of the major online pharmacy busts, I'm starting to see other online adult businesses pulling all ads for anything health related, including enhancements and other herbals, in order to protect the unknowing webmasters that visit them.

I think it's sad that such a great resource as GWW is headed in the opposite direction of trying to push penis enlargement pill affiliate programs and the like (what next? debt solution?). One would think Lee would profit far more by trying to market programs to his members that they can actually believe in. Many people try promoting programs that they see advertised on GWW simply because of the reputation of this resource. Selling away your business respectability and integrity for a few hundred dollars a month seems awfully cheap to me.......

There are plenty of ways to make plenty of money in this business without having to resort to ripoffs....

[Matt 26z]

Most of the traffic on their board seems to be about guys who are doing stretching. I didn't really see anyone claiming the pills alone worked.

Look at African women who stretch their neck...

http://gr.bolt.com/games/hardware/wow_thing_rings.jpg

Just think of everything that's in your neck that has to be stretched for them to accomplish a foot long neck. I'm inclined to think a dick would be much easier.

[JustMe]

Greetings:

Most of the traffic on their board seems to be about guys who are doing stretching.

http://www.drdrew.com/article.asp?id=1315
probably do little or nothing to cavernous body within the penis, which actually enlarges and causes the erection. Rather, it probably stretches out the skin over those regions that become engorged with blood, such that the skin will barely hang forward off the penis like an elephant’s trunk.
Dr. Drew from "Love Line"

Not exactly the type of penis that I'd want...........

[RuthXtremePay]

Wow JustMe.. you sure are angry eh?

Yes, there are class action suits against some penis pill sponsors, but do you actually know what they're charging them with?

It's not for the product not working

It's for DOUBLE BILLING and REBILLING customers without their permission.

Penis pills will always carry controversy - but honestly do you think there are really THAT many STUPID people out there? that many GULLIBLE IDIOTS who will keep re-ordering the pills even though they don't work? That's quite a statement you're making against ALL the THOUSANDS (if not hundreds of thousands) of men who have used the penis pills. Hell, by your reckoning I guess most men must just be stupid.. now I'm a woman and can see your point on occasion.. but I still think you're being unreasonable...

Would penis pills have been able to stay around and continue to be a hot selling item for over 4 years (if not longer) if they didn't work at all?

Yes, there's a common joke that dick pills don't work.. but again, I ask why people would still buy them if they're not seeing results? And wouldn't we all go out of business with the refunds if they didn't work too? I mean, every sponsor I've seen offers a money back guarantee to their customers, and I'm fairly sure that most companies honour those refund requests, I know we do.

I think it's very bad of you to flame this sector of the industry by throwing up a couple of threads pointing to some news stories and saying that you think it's bad that GWW allowed Mensniche to sponsor the forum. Mensniche is a good company, (as are other penis pill companies) with honest owners and employees and products, and the fact that they've been successful for well over 3 years attests to the validity of their product.

Of course, I may be slightly biased since I work in the same sector. As such though I am privy to all of our customer feedback and I'm telling you that there are a LOT of happy men out there who are THRILLED at the improvement they see in the quality and size of their erections.

Perhaps you should spend more time focusing on your own business rather than trying to tear apart honest sponsors who are just trying to develop their network and increase their business.

Just my two cents of course, and I'm sure you'll find something to attack me with - but that seems to be your personality on here from what I can see so far.. perhaps I'm wrong, and I'm sorry if I am, but you seem to just have a lot of anger and hate towards penis pills sponsors.. I honestly have to question why.. it's not exactly usual...

:frown: >

[JustMe]

Just my two cents of course, and I'm sure you'll find something to attack me with

Now that you mention it, aren't you from that company who's owner and 20 of his buddies just got raided by the FBI?

Yes, there's a common joke that dick pills don't work..

OOOH, silly me! All of these well respected doctors were just JOKING when they said penis pill products are crap! I guess I just didn't understand the sarcasm that well respected clinical doctors use!

but again, I ask why people would still buy them if they're not seeing results?

Maybe because spin doctors like you are very very good at playing on people's insecurities?

but you seem to just have a lot of anger and hate towards penis pills sponsors.. I honestly have to question why.. it's not exactly usual...

No I don't have anger towards penis pill companies in particular. I hate businesses that use what amount to predator practices to virtually steal money from misguided and insecure people.

Now granted, you may think it's not normal for someone to stick up for consumers. And perhaps, in your world of penis pills and breast enhancement herbs, that's a pretty abnormal thing. However, that's not to say that it isn't normal everywhere else. It's called consumer advocacy and business ethics. It's a big thing in the mainstream world.....

[JustMe]

Greetings

Yes, there are class action suits against some penis pill sponsors, but do you actually know what they're charging them with?

It's not for the product not working

It's for DOUBLE BILLING and REBILLING customers without their permission.

Wrong, sorry, no, try again!

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.d...IZ01/504170311

Last month, a Mississippi woman pleaded guilty to federal wire fraud for selling about $6 million worth of sexual enhancement products for men and women between 1998 and 2001. She was indicted for conspiring to sell the products with what the government called "reckless disregard as to the truth about the ability of the supplements" to do what was claimed. The plea agreement requires Angela Lane to spend three years in prison and pay $1.8 million in restitution. Her husband, Steven Lane, pleaded guilty last year to conspiracy to commit fraud and is awaiting sentencing.

Hrm. Reckless disregard as to the truth about the ability of the supplements. Doesn't sound like a double billing issue to me?

[Matt 26z]

Most pill companies are very careful in their wording. They do not come right out and say that your full size erection will be bigger after you take the pills. They aren't saying that a healthy 21yo's full 6 inch boner can be 7 inches.

Guys who have trouble getting past semi-hard to a full erection could take something to get a "higher quality" erection, but that doesn't mean a literal increase in dick size as some may interpret that term.

Then there's the "MASSIVE GAINS" type wording many use. How do you interpret this? Technically if you simply make a softie a boner, you have probably just seen "massive gains" to your penis. Right?

Somewhat deceptive wording, maybe. Absolute false marketing, no.

[AndyMN]

Greetings



Wrong, sorry, no, try again!

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.d...IZ01/504170311


Hrm. Reckless disregard as to the truth about the ability of the supplements. Doesn't sound like a double billing issue to me?

LOL - I cannot read this without thinking one thing.... YOU WORK IN THE ADULT INDUSTRY!!! Get a grip!!!

We sell penis enlargement systems yes, these are herbal products and excerices programs.... and I have a filling cabinet of happy customer testimonals... :signhere:

These are real guys with real problems, most of them have NO confidance due to a small penis...

Your a complete joke!

[Dzinerbear]

Geez, a quick "penis pills law suit" in Google brought this up:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1345677/posts

Seems to me, if I read it correctly, the guy was suing because he claims the pills didn't work.

dzinerbear

[AndyMN]

Geez, a quick "penis pills law suit" in Google brought this up:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1345677/posts

Seems to me, if I read it correctly, the guy was suing because he claims the pills didn't work.

dzinerbear

Correct hence why we sell complete systems and not just pills

[procam]

I have recently posted on this topic - on another board and as of last week Choker made a decision to prohibit any of his traffic from going to any of these type of products --ie penis pills herbal stuff and pharmaceuticals etc.... thats the readers digest version--
I have always had a bad bad feeling about these products in that I dont feel they have a place in relation to porn sites and just further cause additional problems for already shunned websites and webmasters.

After reading chokers notice - I spent countless hours reading about all the above and concluded I would follow suit and prohibit any of my traffic from going to galleries or sites trading with me if they promote these products ....
Phen Phen & phentermine & Viagra are my number 1 concerns because people are buying these things and DYING from them and I dont want that crap on my conscience that they visited one of my sites and somehow wound up buying a product that made them sick or killed them....

Above all the Feds do seem to be crackin the whip on a lot of things and My sites simply dont need tied into any of this stuff nor do I -- save the trouble the time and the money and you will sleep better ........
If you can promote these products and sleep well at night I feel bad for you because 1 day it could be your brother sister or mother who buys one of these products and you'll have to go see that corpse before your morning coffee one day!!

:angel:

[JustMe]

Greetings:

Your a complete joke!

I'm not the one selling products that well respected medical doctors say are fake, and that people have been criminally prosecuted for fraud in selling.

The fact that you're trying to legitimize your industry is what's a joke to anyone with some common sense.

Yes, I work in the adult industry right now. What does that have to do with anything? Perhaps you're of the impression that the adult industry only exists to rip people off, and that we should have no business ethics at all? And that we should screw over the consumer any and every way possible?

I'm done. I think I've made my points VERY clear. I also think that any webmaster that reads this thread will now have an INFORMED view of your industry before they make a decision as to whether they want to be an affiliate for Penis Pill and other herbal programs or not.......

:juggle:

[osucheer]

BoyAlley you sound like someone who needs to get laid, relax dude. You should spend more time worrying about getting your site off the ground before attacking others! It is the consumers money, and if they want to spend it on penis enhancement pills- who are you to judge. Sounds like the product didn't work for you and you want revenge. Sorry for your short comings...... :gossip:

[AndyMN]

Not at all the adult industry is years ahead of the mainstream world and 90% of people doing business here are good people, sadly some are not...

I dont like people that insult my business, we are trying everything we can do to prove our products work, including very pricey clinical studies and more.

Unless you have tried these products then you cannot comment... ask around in our forum or to some of past users of these products before you blow them out the water... thats why I made the comments I did

[Dzinerbear]

Correct hence why we sell complete systems and not just pills

And that wasn't the point I was trying to make, I was trying to correct RuthXtremePay's assertion: "Yes, there are class action suits against some penis pill sponsors, but do you actually know what they're charging them with?
It's not for the product not working It's for DOUBLE BILLING and REBILLING customers without their permission."

Now, I figure you'll tell me that she was talking about "class actions" and the link I provided was to something that wasn't a "class action." so before you do, I'll just reply with tomato ... tomaaaaaato.

dzinerbear