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    New Attorney General has pledged to make obscenity prosecutions a priority

    The department is expected to announce soon the creation of a special unit within its criminal division to focus on adult obscenity cases.

    ""Enforcement is absolutely necessary if we are going to protect citizens from unwanted exposure to obscene materials," Gonzales recently told federal prosecutors. He directed U.S. attorneys to report back by late July on effective ways to crack down on obscenity and what tools the prosecutors might need."

    What do you guys think of this? A new department focused on obcenity? I hope it's real obcenity, not just Gay porn. What do you think?

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    (05-04) 12:23 PDT WASHINGTON (AP) --


    Thomas Lambert made no attempt to hide the kind of videos he peddled from his Montana home — hard-core sex tapes involving bestiality, sadomasochism and simulated rape.


    The 65-year-old former schoolteacher had little reason to believe he could get in trouble. He was selling tapes to adults who wanted them and there had not been a federal obscenity prosecution in Montana in at least 16 years, according to his lawyer, Mark Errebo.


    But Lambert and co-defendant Sanford Wasserman were charged last spring with violating federal obscenity statutes. In pleading guilty, they joined a growing number of purveyors of pornography whom the Bush administration has pursued.


    Since 2001, 40 people and businesses have been convicted and 20 additional indictments are pending, said Andrew Oosterbaan, chief of the Justice Department's child exploitation and obscenity section. By comparison, there were four such prosecutions during the eight years of the Clinton administration, he said.


    Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, like his immediate predecessor, John Ashcroft, has pledged to make obscenity prosecutions a priority. The department is expected to announce soon the creation of a special unit within its criminal division to focus on adult obscenity cases.


    "Enforcement is absolutely necessary if we are going to protect citizens from unwanted exposure to obscene materials," Gonzales recently told federal prosecutors. He directed U.S. attorneys to report back by late July on effective ways to crack down on obscenity and what tools the prosecutors might need.


    Those kind of words please religious conservatives, who claim the Clinton administration virtually ignored the proliferation of pornography, particularly on the Internet, during the 1990s.


    Critics say a few dozen criminal cases will not dent an industry with an estimated $10 billion a year in sales. Moreover, they say, the effort is an assault on the First Amendment protection of speech and expression, however distasteful.


    "They'll find some sacrificial victims, but the porn industry will go on," said Marjorie Heins, founder of the Free Expression Policy Project at New York University's Brennan Center for Justice.


    A proponent of strict enforcement of obscenity laws agreed with Heins that so far, the administration has aimed mostly at minor figures in the industry.


    "At some point, they're going to have to ratchet it up if they want to do something meaningful," said Robert Peters, president of Morality in Media.


    Oosterbaan said the government has won convictions in high-profile cases. He cited a guilty plea last year from John Coil of Highland Village, Texas, who owned and operated 27 adult-oriented businesses in Texas, New Mexico and Arizona. Coil forfeited an estimated $8.1 million in property to the government and was sentenced to more than five years in prison.


    In addition, there is the 23-count indictment against Edward Wedelstedt of Littleton, Colo., and his Goalie Entertainment Holdings Inc. Wedelstedt owns pornographic bookstores in 18 states; the indictment lists six allegedly obscene videos and DVDs.


    The government is seeking the forfeiture of millions of dollars in real estate and other property, including a Lear jet, in the Wedelstedt case.


    Henry W. Asbill of Washington, Wedelstedt's lawyer, said the indictment was politically motivated.


    "My client supplies his own stores with adult materials that are for adults only. Consenting adults come into the stores and view or rent or buy the movies," Asbill said.


    In trying to prosecute obscenity, it long has been difficult to distinguish obscenity from indecent content. As former Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart once famously said about hard-core pornography, "I know it when I see it."


    The Supreme Court has ruled that many dirty pictures are constitutionally protected free speech that adults have the right to see and buy. The high court also has rebuffed Congress' attempts to ban or restrict adult-oriented Web sites.


    But the court also set out ground rules for obscenity in its landmark 1973 ruling in Miller v. California that allow the standards for offending material to vary from one community to the next.


    The Justice Department's approach has been to identify videos that even some in the pornography business find unappealing and to bring charges in more socially conservatives places, where possible.


    In the Montana case, Lambert distributed videos that even his lawyer said were "frankly, disgusting."


    In the case against Wedelstedt, the government filed charges in Dallas, where the Colorado resident was indicted.


    But a recent court decision in Pittsburgh could upset the administration's plans. U.S. District Judge Gary Lancaster tossed out an obscenity indictment against Extreme Associates Inc. and its owners, Robert Zicari, and his wife, Janet Romano, both of Northridge, Calif.


    Lancaster ruled that prosecutors overstepped their bounds while trying to block the company's hard-core movies from children and from adults who did not want to see such material. He said the company can market and distribute its materials because people have a right to view them in the privacy of their own homes.


    The government has appealed.
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    As long as they just keep talking about it, and doing the fine job they've done so far, I'm good.

    keeps the bible thumpers quiet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmporerEJ
    As long as they just keep talking about it, and doing the fine job they've done so far, I'm good.

    keeps the bible thumpers quiet.
    I'm all for putting child molesters and bestiality people out of business.

    As the extreme associates case shows, they will go after consenting adults doing their own freaky thing... that's what concerns me. Where will they stop?

    It's important to remember that when movements gain steam great change can happen in society, and a lot of time, for the worse.. the Salem witch trials, the KKK, Hitler, African Genocide, and most recently "The War on Terror" which has been used to bankrupt the American economy, isolate us from the world and take away many of our individual rights, the list goes on. It's unfortunate but society has to be constantly reminded of where it stands on issues.. when it's not.. dubious people step in with their own destructive agenda. IMHO
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    They won't be happy until they chase porno overseas just like they are doing with all manufacturing and tech jobs. Pretty soon the only jobs left in America will be McDonalds, Malls and Banks.


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    LOL yeah the New American Puritan way

    I Americans could only see how the world views us, and what our government has done in the name of America, they'd take to the streets and heads would role. I'm glad for the experience of living overseas and getting a broader view of my country, what it's done and how it's percieved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xstr8guy
    They won't be happy until they chase porno overseas just like they are doing with all manufacturing and tech jobs. Pretty soon the only jobs left in America will be McDonalds, Malls and Banks.
    Well, they ain't chasing us nowhere....
    We will continue to manufacture our product right here in Central PA.

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    This country goes overboard on everything so its no surprise to me. Most importantly they are wasting tax dollars fighting something they cannot stop.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Squirt
    LOL yeah the New American Puritan way

    I Americans could only see how the world views us, and what our government has done in the name of America, they'd take to the streets and heads would role. I'm glad for the experience of living overseas and getting a broader view of my country, what it's done and how it's percieved.
    While I certainly disagree with an awful lot of the policies our government tries to institute, and this is one of them, I'm not sure I agree with your statement of "heads would role." (You did mean roll, right?)

    Please expand on that statement and share with me why you feel whichever countrie(s) you are referring to would or could do this?

    And on a personal note, I'm not real sure I CARE how other countries view us. They take our money, and we still have to fight to keep them from stampeding the borders, so I think that says something about how "the world perceives us."

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    ""Enforcement is absolutely necessary if we are going to protect citizens from unwanted exposure to obscene materials," Gonzales recently told federal prosecutors.

    Here is my concern: What the adult porn industry does is sell porn to customers--the customerswant to see it! The Atty Gen and all those screaching legislators talk about the "unwanted exposure" as if some brainwashed bible thumper will EVER walk into an adult book store and have some clerk start showing them pictures against their will of contented, happy adults fucking. The same goes for the Internet--people that get into Members Areas WANT TO SEE MEMBERS AREAS. There is no unwanted exposure to porn! So what the bastards are really after is reduction or elimination of porn, because they think we can't make our own decisions as to what we want to see in our own homes. We are all grown-ups and we can decide that we want to see two men fucking, or three, or four, if we want to see big women playing with balloons. It is Our Choice as adults in a free society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EmporerEJ
    While I certainly disagree with an awful lot of the policies our government tries to institute, and this is one of them, I'm not sure I agree with your statement of "heads would role." (You did mean roll, right?)

    Please expand on that statement and share with me why you feel whichever countrie(s) you are referring to would or could do this?
    Damn I hate when I've been in front of the computer all day and i make the WORST spelling errors.. but happens to the best of us.

    The statement I made was regarding the American people having full disclosure of what our government is doing overseas to secure the dominant position as a world leader. Our government is well known for strong arming smaller countries, forcing our will and beliefs on them, and compensating them little, if anything, in return for their compliance. When a country stands up and wants to maintain their identity, or language, they are often portrayed as difficult or rebellious. Cuba comes to mind. I'm sure if you ask Mexicans and Canadians their opinion about America you'll be surprised, if they're honest with you. The Dominican Republic, Native Hawaiins.. the list goes on.

    Quote Originally Posted by EmporerEJ
    And on a personal note, I'm not real sure I CARE how other countries view us. They take our money, and we still have to fight to keep them from stampeding the borders, so I think that says something about how "the world perceives us."
    Being American I understand your view.. and I used to share it.. but the reality is that America is a leading innovator, for now, and we don't give our technology with no strings attached.

    How the world views us is very important. Every successful nation has had a turn being the dominant one, then fallen to another nation. China is pegged to be the worlds biggest economy within the next 10 years. China used to be the center of world trade, they fell, now they are rising again. Russia was powerful, they fell. Germany, Europe, the Middle East.

    Eric the U.S. population is 296 million.. the world population is over 6 Billion... and you don't think it's important what the world thinks of the U.S.? [source] You can't possibly think the U.S. can strong arm the world to its ways forever do you? Power is continually shifting in the world and what we do can easily come back to bite us in the ass i.e. 9/11 - and I'm NOT saying we deserved it. Weren't you shocked when they showed footage of the Simalians jumping in the street with joy at the news of the trade centers? Didn't you wonder why the same faces we see on "feed the world" and are urged to send money to, would be reacting this way to such a tragedy befalling us? Here's a good article that explains things in better detail.

    Regarding immigration: People have a hell of a lot of rights in the U.S. and can get away with a lot more then in other countries.. that's a good selling point. The value of the dollar is doing ok.. another selling point. But if you're talking about Mexicans coming over the border.. that's a whole nother story and I don't know any Americans that would work as cheap and do as much as those guys do.. that's why we let them in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chadknowslaw
    ""Enforcement is absolutely necessary if we are going to protect citizens from unwanted exposure to obscene materials," Gonzales recently told federal prosecutors.

    Here is my concern: What the adult porn industry does is sell porn to customers--the customerswant to see it! The Atty Gen and all those screaching legislators talk about the "unwanted exposure" as if some brainwashed bible thumper will EVER walk into an adult book store and have some clerk start showing them pictures against their will of contented, happy adults fucking. The same goes for the Internet--people that get into Members Areas WANT TO SEE MEMBERS AREAS. There is no unwanted exposure to porn! So what the bastards are really after is reduction or elimination of porn, because they think we can't make our own decisions as to what we want to see in our own homes. We are all grown-ups and we can decide that we want to see two men fucking, or three, or four, if we want to see big women playing with balloons. It is Our Choice as adults in a free society.
    Very well said. And remember Extreme Associates being prosecuted as violating community standards when it was material PURCHASED BY THE GOVERNMENT for the soul purpose of prosecuting them?? Crazy.

    I could see a bunch of bible thumbers going to every porn shop, buying one item, then submitting them for prosecution for violation of THEIR community standards.

    Governments are a good thing, but not kept in check they can easily spiral out of control. I'm glad I'm an American though... in a LOT of countries porn is illegal. In China people are being thrown in jail for 5 - 10 years at a time for having porn sites. It's insane. The porn laws here in Australia just don't make sense... prostitution is legal but they are all uptight about hosting porn sites etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Squirt
    Damn I hate when I've been in front of the computer all day and i make the WORST spelling errors.. but happens to the best of us.

    The statement I made was regarding the American people having full disclosure of what our government is doing overseas to secure the dominant position as a world leader. Our government is well known for strong arming smaller countries, forcing our will and beliefs on them, and compensating them little, if anything, in return for their compliance. When a country stands up and wants to maintain their identity, or language, they are often portrayed as difficult or rebellious. Cuba comes to mind. I'm sure if you ask Mexicans and Canadians their opinion about America you'll be surprised, if they're honest with you. The Dominican Republic, Native Hawaiins.. the list goes on.



    Being American I understand your view.. and I used to share it.. but the reality is that America is a leading innovator, for now, and we don't give our technology with no strings attached.

    How the world views us is very important. Every successful nation has had a turn being the dominant one, then fallen to another nation. China is pegged to be the worlds biggest economy within the next 10 years. China used to be the center of world trade, they fell, now they are rising again. Russia was powerful, they fell. Germany, Europe, the Middle East.

    Eric the U.S. population is 296 million.. the world population is over 6 Billion... and you don't think it's important what the world thinks of the U.S.? [source] You can't possibly think the U.S. can strong arm the world to its ways forever do you? Power is continually shifting in the world and what we do can easily come back to bite us in the ass i.e. 9/11 - and I'm NOT saying we deserved it. Weren't you shocked when they showed footage of the Simalians jumping in the street with joy at the news of the trade centers? Didn't you wonder why the same faces we see on "feed the world" and are urged to send money to, would be reacting this way to such a tragedy befalling us? Here's a good article that explains things in better detail.

    Regarding immigration: People have a hell of a lot of rights in the U.S. and can get away with a lot more then in other countries.. that's a good selling point. The value of the dollar is doing ok.. another selling point. But if you're talking about Mexicans coming over the border.. that's a whole nother story and I don't know any Americans that would work as cheap and do as much as those guys do.. that's why we let them in.
    First, it was not my intention to point out your spelling error, I just wanted to make sure you didn't intend a "pun" there, and perhaps I was interpreting it wrong. Hell, if I didn't use a spell checker, There would Be ALL KINDS of spelling errors, typos, etc. (Right mouse click app called ieSpell; works great and is free)

    It's interesting that you bring up Cuba, as they are one of the main "invader" countries. And I don't call putting soviet Nuclear missiles pointed at us being "rebellious." If it were me, I would have made the bay of pigs successful. But even today, their people ride anything that floats to get to the promised land. So i think Cuba detracts from your statement, not adds to it.

    I think it's important what they think, but there will always be hate, based on things we do as a sovereign nation, and jealousy that we are successful.
    We take freedom for granted, but people are willing to die for even a taste of what we have by birthright. Again, you mention China, and here is another prime example. I deal with the Chinese people. Well, Hong Kong as the "office" and the work being done in China. (We buy components from them, but our product is assembled here. The components we buy from them are not made here in the USA. I know, I tried to buy them here. Can any of us forget the student that stood in front of the tank? They were there for freedom. They made their own statue of liberty. (I think they called her freedom or something)
    In any event, the Chinese people want to BE us.....not vice versa.
    And I look at it like the carrot and the stick....you can be our friend, and we'll work with you, but we have a big stick if you cross us.
    We don't set out to bully people. Regardless of what people think, I don't believe our leaders are about that. I've known a few personally, and even worked for a state leader for a time. They are good people that set out to basically do good.

    Let's look at the UN, and who pays?
    How may countries pay the maximum on the sliding scale of expenses? 1. just one. The United States. We pay 25% of the UN bill. And yet, it remains a democratic institution where all have a voice. Even our former, and current, enemies.

    No, I'm afraid no one can make me feel ashamed to be an American. No doubt we make mistakes, but our heart is in the right place. And when we see evil, we do something about it. Most of the time. I'm a bit dismayed at our limited African work, but we can only do so much.
    And I feel perfectly safe, living here. Here we have rule of law. I have no desire to live elsewhere. every time I've gone to a foreign country, there is nothing that makes me feel better than walking through customs and declaring "American Citizen."

    I hate to be overly dramatic, but when it comes down to it, that's how I feel.

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    It's not about being ashamed to be an American or being patriotic.. it's about knowing our governments international policies and how it acts on those policies and how those actions effect us as Americans.

    To get an accurate view of our governments current foreign policies you should read the Rumsfeld outline that the Bush adminstration has been following.. it's called The Project for the New American Century (PNAC)

    I agree with you that there will always be hate, based on things we do as a sovereign nation, and jealousy that we are successful. It's important to remember we will, most likely, not always be top dog.. and how will other countries treat us when we're down? Perhaps the way we treated them?

    The Chinese culture goes back thousands of years. American culture is the new kid on the block. They don't want to be Americans, they laugh at our doctors and have more balanced healthful way of life then we do.. they want our success, and they like our individuality, but the main thing is our success.. our domination. That's been my experience talking to Chinese Uni students here in Australia. :3ymca:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Squirt
    The Chinese culture goes back thousands of years. American culture is the new kid on the block. They don't want to be Americans, they laugh at our doctors and have more balanced healthful way of life then we do.. they want our success, and they like our individuality, but the main thing is our success.. our domination. That's been my experience talking to Chinese Uni students here in Australia. :3ymca:
    The CIA factbook has some interesting Info on China......
    But again, the most pressing issue there I see is lack of Freedom or rule of Law.
    Communism is just bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmporerEJ
    The CIA factbook has some interesting Info on China......
    But again, the most pressing issue there I see is lack of Freedom or rule of Law.
    Communism is just bad.

    Yes it is evil. As is child labor and lack of womens rights.. along with guilty until proven innocent :goofy:
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