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    Gaydar is in the nose?

    Sniffing Out Sexual Orientation
    WASHINGTON, May 9, 2005

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in694078.shtml

    Scientists trying to sniff out biological differences between gay and straight men have found new evidence — in scent.

    It turns out that sniffing a chemical from testosterone, the male sex hormone, causes a response in the sexual area of gay men's brains, just as it does in the brains of straight women, but not in the brains of straight men.

    "It is one more piece of evidence ... that is showing that sexual orientation is not all learned," said Sandra Witelson, an expert on brain anatomy and sexual orientation at the Michael G. DeGroote School of Medicine at McMaster University in Ontario, Canada.

    Witelson, who was not part of the research team that conducted the study, said the findings show a biological involvement in sexual orientation.

    The study, published in Tuesday's issue of Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, was done by researchers at the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm, Sweden.

    They exposed heterosexual men and women and homosexual men to chemicals derived from male and female sex hormones.

    These chemicals are thought to be pheromones — molecules known to trigger responses such as defense and sex in many animals.

    Whether humans respond to pheromones has been debated, although in 2000 American researchers reported finding a gene that they believe directs a human pheromone receptor in the nose.

    The Swedish study was one of a series looking at whether parts of the brain involved in reproduction differ in response to odors and pheromones, lead researcher Ivanka Savic said.

    The brains of different groups responded similarly to ordinary odors such as lavender, but differed in their response to the chemicals thought to be pheromones, Savic said.

    The Swedish researchers divided 36 subjects into three groups — heterosexual men, heterosexual women and homosexual men. They studied the brain response to sniffing the chemicals, using PET scans. All the subjects were healthy, unmedicated, right-handed and HIV negative.

    When they sniffed smells like cedar or lavender, all of the subjects' brains reacted only in the olfactory region that handles smells.

    But when confronted by a chemical from testosterone, the male hormone, portions of the brains active in sexual activity were activated in straight women and in gay men, but not in straight men, the researchers found.

    The response in gay men and straight women was concentrated in the hypothalamus with a maximum in the preoptic area that is active in hormonal and sensory responses necessary for sexual behavior, the researchers said.

    And when estrogen, the female hormone was used, there was only a response in the olfactory portion of the brains of straight women. Homosexual men had their primary response also in the olfactory area, with a very small reaction in the hypothalamus, while heterosexual men responded strongly in the reproductive region of the brain.

    Savic said the group is also doing a study involving homosexual women but those results are not yet complete.

    In a separate study looking at people's response to the body odors of others, researchers in Philadelphia found sharp differences between gay and straight men and women.

    "Our findings support the contention that gender preference has a biological component that is reflected in both the production of different body odors and in the perception of and response to body odors," said neuroscientist Charles Wysocki, who led the study.

    In particular, he said, finding differences in body odors between gay and straight individuals indicates a physical difference.

    It's hard to see how a simple choice to be gay or lesbian would influence the production of body odor, he said.

    Wysocki's team at the Monell Chemical Senses Center studied the response of 82 heterosexual and homosexual men and heterosexual and homosexual women to the odors of underarm sweat collected from 24 donors of varied gender and sexual orientation.

    They found that gay men differed from heterosexual men and women and from lesbian women, both in terms of which body odors gay men preferred and how their own body odors were regarded by the other groups.

    Gay men preferred odors from gay men, while odors from gay men were the least preferred by heterosexual men and women and by lesbian women in the study. Their findings, released Monday, are to be published in the journal Psychological Science in September.

    The Swedish research was funded by the Swedish Medical Research Council, the Karolinska Institute and the Magnus Bergvall Foundation. Wysocki's research was supported by the Monell Center.


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    i get confused with gaydar and wishful thinking
    i see someone really hot am attracted 2 and wonder if its
    wishful thinking instead of gaydar.


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    "I love the smell of testosterone in the morning!" Slade--Seattle, 1981

    Good find Bec..can't wait to post this on GFY & watch the phobes go crazy!

    P.S. That's why I wear testosterone patches! Gets me any man I want! (OH HOW I WISH!)


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    Quote Originally Posted by curiousbunny
    i get confused with gaydar and wishful thinking
    i see someone really hot am attracted 2 and wonder if its
    wishful thinking instead of gaydar.

    I know a lot of my friends disagree, but for ME at least, the most telling thing about a guy as to whether or not he is gay, or at least "likes cock" is/are the EYES! I know it's going to sound crazy, but gay men just have a different "look" in their eyes than straight dudes.


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    maybe it's 'cause gay men are looking at your cock

    Quote Originally Posted by Slade
    I know a lot of my friends disagree, but for ME at least, the most telling thing about a guy as to whether or not he is gay, or at least "likes cock" is/are the EYES! I know it's going to sound crazy, but gay men just have a different "look" in their eyes than straight dudes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by basschick
    maybe it's 'cause gay men are looking at your cock

    LMAO -- good one Patti!


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    No, I've noticed this, too. Gay men aren't so afraid to look one another in the eye. Look at a straight man in the eye at the grocery store and he'll look away every time.

    When I had just turned 18, I used to go to the cigar store in the next town. They had adult magazines and there was always a line of men standing there looking at them. So, I'd walk in very boldly, push my way into the line, grab a Blueboy, and then, start leafing through it. Then out of my peripheral vision, I'd watch to see who was checking out what I was reading. Worked every time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by curiousbunny
    i get confused with gaydar and wishful thinking
    i see someone really hot am attracted 2 and wonder if its
    wishful thinking instead of gaydar.

    I know for me its usually wishful thinking... My Gaydar has never worked correctly so I gave up on it. If someone wants me they can come after me. Then I know for sure they are interested in men. (or at least desperate!)


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    Gaydar in the Nose?

    Luv the post!

    As for "gaydar", if it were only a scent picked up by the nose, then how does one explain seeing someone on TV and picking up on the fact that he is gay?

    iNquiRing MinDs wAnt To kNoW ???

    Perhaps Gaydar strengthens and/or develops with age and experience.

    PapaBear


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    Wow, great news article! Thanks Bec.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dzinerbear
    No, I've noticed this, too. Gay men aren't so afraid to look one another in the eye. Look at a straight man in the eye at the grocery store and he'll look away every time.
    I definitely think this is a learned behavior. I have difficulty making eye contact with other gay men in a cruising enviroment. I think it is because I lived as a straight man for so long and I learned to avoid eye contact with strange men. My partner thinks it's hilarious that I never notice when I'm being cruised.

    Here's a scary thought. What happens if our neocon government uses this test to weed out potential military recruits... or worse?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Slade
    I know a lot of my friends disagree, but for ME at least, the most telling thing about a guy as to whether or not he is gay, or at least "likes cock" is/are the EYES! I know it's going to sound crazy, but gay men just have a different "look" in their eyes than straight dudes.
    That's very true. I was going to mention this last night. I usually can tell by looking in the eyes at well or eye contact. Some are obvious and no look needed but yea when u get eye contact u know especially if u get a "hey" after hehehehe


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    Quote Originally Posted by Xstr8guy
    Wow, great news article! Thanks Bec.

    Here's a scary thought. What happens if our neocon government uses this test to weed out potential military recruits... or worse?
    Just had this visual of gay pheremone sniffing dogs .... shudder .... :wacko:


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    i go by scent! ( the familiar colognes/soaps ) then my routine questionaire ( have you ever seen a grown man naked? , have you ever been in a turkish prison? , etc :goof: ) then i see how far and how fast! ( at my age there aren't too many more shopping days till christmas! ) , why waste time talking about it?


    sincerely ~ ..."ummm yeah! , i'm sexually aggressive!"... :woof:


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    Quote Originally Posted by longboardjim
    i go by scent! ( the familiar colognes/soaps ) then my routine questionaire ( have you ever seen a grown man naked? , have you ever been in a turkish prison? , etc :goof: ) then i see how far and how fast! ( at my age there aren't too many more shopping days till christmas! ) , why waste time talking about it?


    sincerely ~ ..."ummm yeah! , i'm sexually aggressive!"... :woof:

    Look me in the eyes when you're asking those questions!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Slade
    Look me in the eyes when you're asking those questions!
    , of course eye contact is also a good indicater of interest! , just wish it wasn't from women all the time! :cry:

    sincerely ~ ..."do you know what it feels like for a dyke-doll?"... - madonna :goof:


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