and... this thread has gotten way off topic. Perhaps we should get back on topic. My bad.
and... this thread has gotten way off topic. Perhaps we should get back on topic. My bad.
I agree we are off topic but I have my Kocis emails as well, compete with "headers, IP addresses, supporting documents" at least I did until I turned them over.
I disagree Sean has ALWAYS agreed about HIS personal responsibility in the underage porn scandal & age fraud he perpated along with his then BF Chris Henriquez.
It's you people in the BIZ who refuse to acknowledge or accept his Apology and statement of responsibility repeated ad nauseum for the last 3 years!
While nary a word of responsibility or Apology to the "industry" has ever been forthcoming from Bryan Kocis or Chris Henriquez
Finally I told Sean Fuck it the Apology and Fuck them NO ONE in this BIZ reported or OSTRACIZED Bryan Kocis in 6 long years!
We all accepted this Snake in our midst just like the UK producers accepted Rufus Ffoulkes if people cant remove the bad operators can we complain when the sanctimonious media or heaven forbid the govt does it for us?
Last post on Corrigan I promise Chip and I do not mean anything personally toward you so I apologize if you take it that way.
And yes I am well aware of Chads early case work for both in 2005.
Seriously. This thread has gotten way off topic. It has turned from a 16 year old being in a BB film in the US to a "who said what to who when and why they said what they said to who whenever they said whatever they said to ..." Oh dear god you get the idea.Originally Posted by gaybucks_chip
It's just a damn shame that 16 years old get tossed into the world of bb porn or even porn for that matter. And as Don pointed out it's even more a shame that the media thinks bb is the norm in gay porn.
The ONE good thing that Chip pointed out is that models are becoming AWARE and that is a start. And please, this is not an anti bb statement from me. It would be nice to see that models become aware of what being in porn entails and how it can affect their lives. Either with a condom or without.
Lloyd - Stunner Media - ICQ: 216150073
"The key to success is to risk thinking unconventional thoughts. Convention is the enemy of progress. If you go down just one corridor of thought you never get to see what’s in the rooms leading off it." - Trevor Baylis
Right so back on Topic
Well 60% (figure for Bareback production in the UK) is a big scary figure and how about a small example I went into my Local video store in San Diego The Crypt and looked at new releases,,And as Don pointed out it's even more a shame that the media thinks bb is the norm in gay porn.
I started counting the condom titles finally I looked over at John the manager and I said "John what is your ratio now Bareback vs Condom porn"
He had a quick answer "80/20" as in 80 % Bareback,,Condom does not sell period and hardly rents DeWayne".
They had 8 copy's of Eurocremes latest and ONE of Chi Chi's Excess!
The biggest sellers in the Store?
Anything by Treasure Island media almost 200 copys of the whole catalog and they reorder constantly!
This is a store with the largest DVD collection in San Diego where they had a Nasty argument among the clerks AND Management in 2002 over even carrying Bareback titles (I know of 3 Crypt clerks who died in the 90's from Aids)
The battle in the trenchs is over the scandal in the UK is just a blip, a speedbump they will all be back to Bareback or they will simply shut the UK biz down!
Very Sad but the market speaks and as we all learned in Economics 101
"Free Markets have NO Conscience!"
People do however,,,
I agree no one can disagree with that!The ONE good thing that Chip pointed out is that models are becoming AWARE and that is a start. And please, this is not an anti bb statement from me. It would be nice to see that models become aware of what being in porn entails and how it can affect their lives. Either with a condom or without.
This is what I knew of the story as well, from Jonathan Deverell.
ICQ# 200-385-093
Wait a minute!
16?
Personal Pleasure?
WTF?
Over on this side of the pond, I believe that's a Felony.
Chad?
WB Madame, haven't seen you around in a while! 16 is legal in a few states, each state has a different age for the age of consent, now I can't say I would agree with the morals of it.
ICQ# 200-385-093
16 is the legal age of consent here in the UK
BUT
18 is the legal age to shoot pornography
A pig is a pig, is a pig. No offence meant to actual pigs.
Gay, het, trans, metro, a pig is a pig is a pig! :thumbsdown: I do believe that age of consent, is not the same as the age you are a legal adult, with the rights. privliages and protection of the Law.
And thanks for the welcome back! We've had Family issues to take care of, but I'm pleased as PUNCH that Roy and I will be in Phoenix.
There's even a tiny lil twist for us - on this our 4th Forum - and you can read about it on ...
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On The Road Again!
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I think I may have said what I said wrong. I meant HIS personal pleasure, surely not mine. I was just saying I didn't think it was sold. Sorry for any confusion.
Lloyd - Stunner Media - ICQ: 216150073
"The key to success is to risk thinking unconventional thoughts. Convention is the enemy of progress. If you go down just one corridor of thought you never get to see what’s in the rooms leading off it." - Trevor Baylis
Some interesting points here, but regarding BB outselling condom porn 80 / 20 seems a little odd. I mean, it would suggest that we would all be mad not to make BB porn, yet I and hundreds of others who only produce condom porn still make a decent living. Perhaps what we're really talking about is greed?
Indeed. As I've said elsewhere, our DVD line outsells almost every other twink line out there, and we're 100% safer sex.
Yes, there are a small handful of customers who will *only* buy bareback, but the vast majority of bareback buyers will also buy a safe title (or membership) if the material is of decent quality.
As for the stores that claim that safer sex doesn't sell... we have challenged a number of stores to try our DVD line, with an offer to take the unsold product back if we're wrong. In nearly every case, not only does the store sell all of our product, but they reorder more.
I just wish people would stop perpetuating this myth, because they *will* make it reality if everyone manages to convince everyone that you have to produce bareback to be successful.
Oh hunny .. I knew who you were talkin' about. :heart:
With all due respect to all parties involved, this thread was originally created to discuss a UK producer using a 16 year old model in a bareback scene. Do we really need to drag this thread out as a personal bashing thread of a man who was brutally murdered?
This is weird.....
They're Distributor, or I believe it's their distributor is still selling this product. It's New Barbary Coast Distribution owned by Treasure Island Media.
I received an email a couple days ago where they have put it on a sale for wholesale of $10.00 each.
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