Do you like muscles?

[Chilihost]

i can't understand why guys talk about bodybuilders as "fake" just because they work out heavily in the gym. muscles are muscles - they are REAL body parts, so they ain't fake. these guys aren't putting on a muscle suit, that's THEM.

and luke - why would a guy who plays rugby be more innocent than a guy who lifts weights????

I say fake because I know a few guys that are bodybuilders and they are totally weak-ass mary's. I mean it comes to moving a heavy object and I am way stronger than them even though they have spent years sculping their bodies.

As for rugby boys, I think I mentioned that cuz I was watching the game last night and though it was a good look.

Anyway, its all about what you prefer...if you like the gym look then good on ya!

cheers,
Luke

[Slade]

This argument about muscles between gay men (and Patti) is funny! sorry..but it is kinda humorous.

[XXXWriterDude]

Personally, I find the gay community's obsession with their physical appearance rather shallow and disturbing. Hang out in any gay bar, and you will inevitably overhear a line like this: "Great body; where do you work out?" Or "Hey, you been working out? You're looking great."

All this focus on what we look like on the outside and SOOOO little attention to who we are on the inside. Yes, guys who are fit look great. There's no denying that. Muscles are hot, but ANYONE can have them. They are nothing special, nor do they say anything about the caliber of one's personality, soul or heart.

I used to date this guy who had all these posters and pictures ripped from magazines posted on every inch of his wall featuring these hot, ripped dudes, and one day I was like, "What's with all this muscle worship?" And he said, "Well, isn't that what all gay men want?" My response was, "There's nothing wrong with wanting a guy who looks good. The question remains, though, is that ALL we want?"

You see all these online profiles where it's like "I want a guy who's REAL, who is sensitive and kind, who likes long walks on the beach, who wants to strip away all the pretense and share his life with me." And then, right after that, there's this: "Built men ONLY need apply."

I get real sick of the word REAL being tossed around so much. Because, if you really want to get REAL about it, being "REAL" has a lot to do with looking past such shallowness and seeing the heart and soul of a person who may be lurking within a body that doesn't fit into the requirements of the gay community's increasingly ridiculous Ken Doll Complex.

And there you go. Just my two cents.

[Slade]

:cheese:

Personally, I find the gay community's obsession with their physical appearance rather shallow and disturbing.

And you know that someone will say (Or at least THINK) "those who make comments like this are usually the ones out of shape".. and for the record..I am NOT saying that about you.

But given STRICTLY the physical attraction..are you REALLY attracted to a guy's sense of humor or his pecs/butt/cock?

Verily I say unto you..it is not GAY men that are shallow..but MEN PERIOD!
And maybe gay men a tad more shallow than straight..to be perfectly honest.

Ok..shoot away everyone! :cheese:

[Xstr8guy]

I feel so removed from the rest of gay society. I could care less about young, smooth, hung muscle guys. Give me a hairy daddy with some meat on his bones. Oh wait, I already have one of those and he's doing laundry right now as I type this. I'm so lucky!

[Squirt]

I feel so removed from the rest of gay society. I could care less

That about says it all for me right there

[curiousbunny]

I Prefer Lean. I don't like super buff guys.
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[XXXWriterDude]

But given STRICTLY the physical attraction..are you REALLY attracted to a guy's sense of humor or his pecs/butt/cock?

Well, if it's a strictly physical attraction, how could you SEE his sense of humor??? Am I just supposed to sense it with a sixth sense?

Honestly, the FIRST thing I look for in another guy is his face--more specifically, his eyes, to see how they twinkle, what they show, how deep they are. A smile is everything to me. From there I move down and see what else is up with the dude, and then, of course, judge based on my own personal preferences. But I have gay friends who say, "Ken, why would you be into hiim? He's not attractive at all. He's got a belly, or he's not in the greatest shape." And I response is always simply, "I see something in him."

Of course, almost every attraction is based in the beginning on a physical level of some kind. I would not be attracted to a 400-pound hairy dude with missing teeth. But my range in what I find attractive is honestly all over the place, and I am very proud of that. I come from the east, where the pickings weren't so plentiful and you honestly took the time to get to know someone. And that's a mentality that I've maintained. But I've had guys tell me, "Dude, you're incredibly good looking, but not my type." And when I say back to them, "Wait, you're saying I'm hot, but hot isn't what you like?" And a few of them have said back, "Well, to be hoenst, I just want bigger-built guys."

What annoys me is when a dude starts working out, then says, "Now that I can get the hotter guys, I don't bother with anything less" or "He has to have muscles because I have muscles." Again, in the profiles online, guys will openly say, "I work out, so you should too." It's this sense of entitlement that muscular guys seem to acquire that really irks me.

There is so much insecurity in the gay community, and so many guys feel displaced from it because everywhere they turn, magazines only place the hottest guys on the cover and every single guy walking down Santa Monica Blvd. looks like he just trained to star in a swords-and-sandals epic movie alongside Brad Pitt, so he's gotta look good. We aren't inclusive enough of the different types of guys. And really, HOT comes in many shapes and sizes. It's not about muscle or a hairy chest or a bubble butt or any of those things that turn us on on a strictly purient level; it's really about an energy, a sense of confidence, a self-esteem that propels a guy's persona and disposition that I, personally, find tons more attractive than how big his pecs are. Honestly, if it's a REQUIREMENT that a guy has to be ripped in order for you ("you" in the plural sense), I think it says a whole lot about a person's priorities and sense of self.

I will be the first to admit that I struggle with my body issues and my own confidence b/cuz of a deep-seeded sense of inadequacy that I feel left over from my days in school, when I was relentlessly teased by the jocks. I developed severe gym phobia as a result. I just tense up and feel horribly out of place there, like I don't belong. And I struggle with the whole gym culture thing, because I wonder how much of it is really about being in shape and being healthy, and how much of it is rooted in us just wanting to be more hot so we can feel validated because of our OUTER appearances? It's one of my biggest personal struggles. I did go out and buy some weights, and I do work out now on a semi-daily basis at home, but I don't spend two hours at it a day and I don't talk about my workout routine to my friends. I do it for me, just to feel a little healthier and more confident.

But the moment one of those guys from before who rejected me comes to me and says, "Hey, you're hot enough for me now," it's going to feel SO good to say, "Thank you. I appreciate that." Then just move right on. Because really, if it it takes me being a muscle guy for someone to appreciate me for WHO I am, not what I look like, do I really want to be with that person when the looks start to fade and REAL life sets in?

Something tells me, "Hmmm, I don't think so."

[basschick]

ken, i know a LOT of bodybuilders who aren't even close to what you are describing. the men i know who demand physical perfection are mostly the toned guys - not the bodybuilders.

i used to be a bodybuilder - and there aren't many women bodybuilders out there. i started by working out, then fell madly in LOVE with free weights, leg presses, hack squats, and so on. i was able to get big not because i wanted to show off, but because i LOVED working out. and at a certain point, because of that love, i became devoted to developing size - a passionate hobby.

i have been working with bodybuilders for a while now, and i used to talk to the men i'd see all the time at the gym. i'm sure there are guys out there like you describe, but i've never met one - and i was a total gym rat for years. during a several year period, i simultaneously had memberships in beverly hills health and fitness, nautilus plus and bally's, and i knew plenty of guys at all of them.

it takes dedication to spend 3 hours or more in a gym 5 times a week. if all a guy cared about was attracting hot guys, he would spend 2 hours three times a week, and he'd do great. men - and women - who spend 15 - 25 or more hours a week have to have more motivation - or they'd get bored. you're talking about very self-centered people in your posts, and i've never noticed that wholly self-centered people HAVE that kind of dedication.

by the way, if a guy finds muscles so attractive that he is willing to spend 100 hours a month building his, it might make sense he finds muscles attractive in others. after all, dzinerbear and xtr8guy find hairiness attractive in the exact same way - and you find that reasonable.

[basement]

My preference is toned, not exaggerated. And Slade I would say straight guys are just as shallow as gay guys. .

[Slade]

Of course, almost every attraction is based in the beginning on a physical level of some kind. I would not be attracted to a 400-pound hairy dude with missing teeth.

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Dang..for a minute there I thought I had a chance with you!:goofy:

[XXXWriterDude]

]Dang..for a minute there I thought I had a chance with you!:goofy:

I dunno, dude, you look kinda cute in your cartoon avitar. But is that a mullet you're wearing??? 'Cuz I dunno about that... LOL!

[Scorpio]

I'm very attracted to muscle guys. But not too big though and not too lean, just in the middle. Enough to lift me up and bang me against the.... mmmm sorry. So yeah i love muscles

[Slade]

I'm very attracted to muscle guys. But not too big though and not too lean, just in the middle. Enough to lift me up and bang me against the.... mmmm sorry. So yeah i love muscles

Hey Scorpie! Good to hear from ya. Hope things are going well.

[XXXWriterDude]

I'm very attracted to muscle guys. But not too big though and not too lean, just in the middle. Enough to lift me up and bang me against the.... mmmm sorry. So yeah i love muscles

OK, I can definitely agree with you there, buddy. By the way, fuckin' WOOF!

And you're a Scorpio? You know they say Capricorns and Scorpios have the BEST sex?????

Ken