Bareback dilemna

[Huskyhunks]

Thanks for you input. I was definitely there during the 80's and had alot of friends die. Basically, they all knew about the disease but it didn't change their behavior because in the end, it was their choice to have sex the way they wanted to. Death is not very much of a deterrent these days or even back then.

Cigarettes kill many more people than hiv and no one really thinks twice about it. So does drunk driving. When arnold swarzenegger blows a guy away on the big screen, no one thinks twice about the violence. No one blames him for the shootings that occur every day on the streets.

I'm still not sure what I'm going to do. Part of me wants to, part of me is against it. I would say that the majority of studios are now doing bareback.

[gaybucks_chip]

I think the majority of *small* studios are doing bareback.

I think most of the major players still have some ethics.

[Squirt]

Here's how I look at it:

We setup the situation

We hire the models

We distribute the content

If you had a group of guys that wanted to put one bullet in a gun and have you film what happens as they pull the trigger, would you?

That's what you're doing when you film bareback. Period. Unless you test extensively before hand, and even then that's not safe.

People bareback for many reasons, but the main reason is that they're HIV positive already and have nothing to lose. Remember that.

[Huskyhunks]

I guess millions of gay men like seeing the "bang" because that's what they want and that's where the demand is. Go figure.

[MiamiB]

So pretent that what you don't see or can't find online doesn't happen in REAL life...PLEASE

IT DOES HAPPEN...

EVERY DAY IN EVERY CITY OF THE WORLD...

Lee

[MiamiB]

Oh Chip,

The "major" studios have "ethics" because the can still make money...wait until they can't and then you will find them shooting bareback videos every week my friend! They are in it for the MONEY just like we all are...BUSINESS!

There are no "ethics". That is like morals...who is to say what is ethical or moral...you...me...or GOD? No...

Lee

[basschick]

if money determines your ethics, they ain't ethics.

ethics are what keep you from stealing from your neighbor when he forgets to lock his door. i wouldn't, not even if i was 100% sure that i would never get caught and i was totally broke. that's ethics.

by the way, the way it's been explained to me, you are legally responsible if you knowingly put an hiv positive guy in that gangbang and someone comes out positive.

[Squirt]

So pretent that what you don't see or can't find online doesn't happen in REAL life...PLEASE

IT DOES HAPPEN...

EVERY DAY IN EVERY CITY OF THE WORLD...

Yeah people contract HIV/AIDS every day that doesn't mean I want to be a part of it.

Being a responsible producer has nothing to do with pretending, it has to do with reality. If you feel "all the money" is in filming bareback you're wrong. The money is in quality content.

The reality is when you hook people up and pay them to have sex, you are a part of the equation. There is also a liability issue with any model that comes back and says they were depressed, or just broke up with their boyfriend, did bareback sex for X amount of money, and now have HIV. In case you haven't noticed, talent does sue the production company.

If you're gonna do it, you need to be very careful, if you're not, you will lose more money in the end then you make and you'll be a part of someone getting HIV.

[gaybucks_chip]

I guess millions of gay men like seeing the "bang" because that's what they want and that's where the demand is. Go figure.

There's a shitload of people that want to see child porn too. If it were legal, would you film that?

[MiamiB]

No, I would not. I stated that concenting adults were making these choices. Period.

They know the risks. Nothing is going to change by pretending it doesn't happen.

It still will happen.

Lee

Let ADULTS choose.

[Squirt]

There's a shitload of people that want to see child porn too. If it were legal, would you film that?

Well technically it is legal in other countries Chip... so according to MiamiB he'd do it.. because it's being done anyway :francais: Or if he's going the consenting adults route he'd say snuff films are his thing.. because it's going to happen anyway... unless by some strange miracle.. he has ETHICS and wouldn't do that..hhhmmmm

[Matt 26z]

If you are going to shoot bareback, it is my belief that the following two rules must be in play.....

1. Models should not be required to bareback to get the job.

2. They should not be paid less money if they choose not to.

This completely eliminates the possibility of models taking bareback jobs only because they can't find any other work.

If you stand by those two things, then all bareback models will have made a decision to bareback that didn't involve money. Which means they are either a longtime couple who has been barebacking for some time, or two random models who'd bareback anyway even if the camera wasn't there.

[BananaMan]

Many of the decisions we make in life are ethical ones. Just because it's "business" doesn't excuse anyone from the consequences of their actions. It's one thing for a couple to bareback and it is quite another for you to MAKE MONEY from that decision. The question for everyone in this industry to ask themselves is "Do I want to be a part of the solution to the HIV/AIDS epidemic or not?" Making bareback porn does not help.