Do you have problems with models?

[XXXWriterDude]

No one has mentioned the problem of over estimation of dick size. We were shooting solo guys for a big dick site. I was amazed that at the number of guys who lied about the size of their dicks. We were looking for anything over seven inches. I just didn't understand the lying. I mean guy, you gotta take it out and show it to us when you get here.

They're probably deluded about how hot they are and they think, "He'll be blinded by how attractive I am and forget about my dick size completely!"

I tried to get a photo shoot off the ground last year for a Web site I was looking into launching just before I got the call to join AVN Online. I had a buddy of mine all lined up to do the shoot, and when I called him to confirm, I got a message and he never called me back, even when I left a second message. Now every time I see him and he says, "I totally wanna do that shoot," I just change the subject and talk about something else, or I excuse myself completely.

I'm pretty much the same way with friends as well. If you flake on me and you don't call or have a valid excuse, I write you off and have no more need for you. As I get older, it becomes SOOOO much easier to lose the drama and let go of flaky people.

I always say, "Flakes are for cereal, not relationships or business."

[Jasun]

Too True.

Happens all the time, unfortunately.

Of course, I've been guilty of flaking myself, but I always have a valid reason to do so and always give plenty of notice.

er.. almost always.

the point is, I think, that too many people assume that porn is this half-assed thing with no quality control and no one actually giving a shit about anything.

Which, in some cases is true.

[XXXWriterDude]

the point is, I think, that too many people assume that porn is this half-assed thing with no quality control and no one actually giving a shit about anything. Which, in some cases is true.

You'd be right about that. Unfortunately, we probably perpetuate many of the bad stereotypes about porn in some of the content we put out. Not all of it screams of originality or even passion. I truly think that there is more to porn than showing people having sex on film, but I don't think a lot of content producers get that. For a lot of them, it's just money in the bank, and I'm a little disheartened by that mentality.

I think of porn as socially relevant content created for the purpose of promoting healthy values and ideas about gay sexuality throughout the community, not just something to get off to. I truly think that shows in the work of the directors who hold that same mentality. A few readily come to mind: Joe Gage, who continues to make excellent movies for Titan; Wash West, who truly gets that the best sex is based in intellectual stimulation over physical stimulation; and Jett Blakk, who has such a great sense of humor and artistry when it comes to porn. I think these three guys are really helping to change the way that people make porn. At least I hope they are.

I think that having directors and content producers who have a very specific mission and a creative vision are the ones who really get their models enthused and who help keep them in line. And it's the ones who think of their content as more than "just sex" and/or "just porn" who also help promote a sense of professionalism and respect for each other's time in this business. You can tell when you meet some directors that they really couldn't care less whether it was Brad Benton or Jason Ridge in their movies. They think of the models as expendable and replaceable, which doesn't promote any kind of loyalty on the part of the models at all.

So yeah, you're right. A lot of the times it's not so much the models, but the producers who create the problems with models.

[Cruisemaster]

I've actually built into our annual budget the waste involved with models. Last year I believe I bought plane tickets for perhaps 4 or 5 guys who failed to show. They also didn't bother to call to cancel. I've decided it is part of the cost of working with a younger crowd who, well, are young.

Another cost you need to build in, in addition to wasted airfare, is booking more guys than you may need for a scene. I learned that the hard way when I flew 2 guys to a scene last year and only one showed. As we were in the middle of nowhere, finding a replacement on such short notice was impossible. So I paid the guy who showed and that was that.

What I personally think would be very helpful to producers such as ourselves: a message board where we can post -- for our eyes only -- our experiences with guys. Spot the flakes this way by essentially creating a database of flakes. Much in the same way male4malescorts.com has created a database of no-show escorts, we could do the same for models we were with (or wanted to work with, at least). I'm sure many of us would be reluctant to share the good news about great new models we've discovered, but that isn't always the case. Even if such a database were limited to only listing the flakes, it would be worth it. Imagine if we could tell a model I'm putting you on the black list and you'll never work in this industry again!

[basschick]

yeah, but you never know for sure. i shot a model who kept in communication, showed up early, and had a great attitude. another photographer told me the same guy was surly and didn't show.

[gaybucks_chip]

What I personally think would be very helpful to producers such as ourselves: a message board where we can post -- for our eyes only -- our experiences with guys. Spot the flakes this way by essentially creating a database of flakes. ... Imagine if we could tell a model I'm putting you on the black list and you'll never work in this industry again!

We'd certainly be game for participating. Our flake factor is pretty low now, but we had one who ACTUALLY FLEW TO THE SHOOT and then refused to work with us. This after having gone over in explicit detail everything that was expected of him and getting his complete agreement.

His position was "Well, I'm only 20, I can change my mind... people change majors in college, this is no different"... our response was "Sure, you can change your mind, but now you owe us for the ticket, our time, etc..."

[XXXWriterDude]

His position was "Well, I'm only 20, I can change my mind... people change majors in college, this is no different"... our response was "Sure, you can change your mind, but now you owe us for the ticket, our time, etc..."

Did he ever pay you?

[basschick]

i'm betting against it

Did he ever pay you?

[gaybucks_chip]

Did he ever pay you?

Court judgement -- he signed an agreement promising to pay for the ticket, and an administrative cost before he left, and agreeing that california was venue if we had to go to court -- and I've historically been really good about collecting judgements.

Given the court-imposed interest rate, it's not a bad thing to let it "mature" for a couple years until the guy is real (has a real job) and either contacts us because he wants to buy a house or car, or we contact his employer and garnish wages... doesn't make sense to do that while he's working at Starbucks, 'cause he'll just quit and go somewhere else, so we just wait until the guy has probably forgotten about it. In the past when I've had to do this sort of thing, it's pretty much 100% recovery, and the interest generally makes it worth the wait. Takes a little time, but with the Internet, it's surprising how easy it is.

We feel very strongly that treating people fairly -- on both sides of the equasion -- is the right thing to do, so we do use small claims when necessary.

[Squirt]

Court judgement -- he signed an agreement promising to pay for the ticket, and an administrative cost before he left, and agreeing that california was venue if we had to go to court -- and I've historically been really good about collecting judgements.

Given the court-imposed interest rate, it's not a bad thing to let it "mature" for a couple years until the guy is real (has a real job) and either contacts us because he wants to buy a house or car, or we contact his employer and garnish wages...

You have a docket number on that case?

I'd like to see the ruling and judges comments

Thanks in advance

[gaybucks_chip]

It was small claims. In California, unfortunately, you don't get much in the way of "satisfaction" from the judge... you get a preprinted form where the judge marks "judgement for the plaintiff" in a check box and signs it and puts the amount. But I can dig up the file if you're really interested.

Also, keep in mind this was a written agreement signed by both parties stipulating why the agreement to pay was made, terms for payment, and resolution procedures if the terms weren't met, so it was really open-and-shut, there was nothing to contest. I think it would have been a little more "wiggle room" for the defendant if it had been a faxed agreement, or he wasn't physically there when he signed the thing.

[Lee]

No one has mentioned the problem of over estimation of dick size. We were shooting solo guys for a big dick site. I was amazed that at the number of guys who lied about the size of their dicks.

LOL we had that problem when we were looking for DILF models the other thing we ran in to was during the auditions, a couple of the guys didnt want to get their dicks out, i mean, whats that about? You want to do a porn shoot but, when asked to show your goods you refuse?!?

Needless to say, they never got a job LOL

Regards,

Lee

[HungBrandon]

well i have 2 different problems working with models, one, they all want a "practice session" off camera,

Well stud, I'd want a 'session' too, if we ever met!! :thumbsup: :cute: :kiss: