Ok... this tripped my anger button

[Hamilton Steele]

So they don't suffer or feel pain?

I'm sure your a nice guy and I can see how someone might think that I'm nothing but a good old boy that likes to walk around in the woods handling weapons and drinking beers with his buddies. I also speak my mind and don't give a Tom-cod about what anyone says

So having said that...

You know I don't mean to take a whizzz on your parade. I still don't believe in owning pets and I don't love animals like XXXwriter or Basschick. And my opinion always remains the same. "Animals are animals and People are people."

But having said that my father always taught me to to have a clue what I was arguing before I opened my mouth.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I'm most likely the only person on this board that grew up in a fishing village without electricy to plumbing. Trust me I know my fish and I know animals.

Fish don't feel pain. In fact they don't feel anything the way you or I would or most creatures understand it. To be blunt they don't have the the same nerves and when you touch a fish they react more to sudden temperature change and pressure. But no one uses live bait when you catch shark and yes I've caught my share of atlantic sharks.


You don't troll for shark. You bait the water and cast your lines and wait.
So in the dog's case I can pretty much work out what they are doing.

And here is whats happening:

1) The water is baited with something like chum, cut up fish, half-rotted butcher's blood or any other strong blood scented product.

2) The dog is hooked via the snout. Then tossed into the water.

3) The dog panics and swims desperate to try to get back into the boat.

4) Now if the water is too warm the sharks might take longer to appear because they aren't as hungry. If the water is too cold it will take longer for the stuff in the water to reach a shark's senses.

5) When the sharks do appear they will slowly begin to work into a frenzy. This has got to put the dog in a complete panic. Imagine a preditor in the water like that making "runs" on you? (And animals know when there is a preditor around)

6) When a shark finally does strike it will be from the side and most likely grab only a leg and begin to tear.

Now sharks don't "Bite" through their prey. Instead they bite, clamp and saw through them by shaking their bodies back and forth. Literally tearing their prey in half. Or in the dog's case, limb by limb.

Trust me the damn dog is alive for most of the ordeal. The average dog is just too damn big to for a shark to kill it in one strike. And yea, I'm factoring in great whites and pretty much almost any other shark species.

You see they are using the dogs not because they are cheaper. But because they will guarantee more catches.

The dog is warm blooded, so the shark reacts to it better.
The dog is paddling all over the place and that further helps attraction.
Plus sharks prefer live game over dead.

Live game will get more sharks frenzied and bitting. Thus overall a better day of fishing.

In normal shark fishing...
You toss in your chum and put a big chunk of something tasty on the hook and wait.


So yes b'ys. I don't agree with this.

[CorbinFisher_BD]

This study says that fish do indeed feel pain and exhibit all the characteristics (both physical and behavioral) of animals able to sense pain.

[Hamilton Steele]

This study says that fish do indeed feel pain and exhibit all the characteristics (both physical and behavioral) of animals able to sense pain.

Buddy,

Putting on my Masters degree and saying this with a straight face.

I can find a study on what umbrella opens faster or what ketchup has more lip smack goodness. All made by some academic nerd that doesn't know shit from shinola.

Look,

If you depend on the sea for money and food. Plus you grow up a boat-scont from bumfuck no where, with a bunch of other people that lived and died on that rock. You damn well know what the creature feels or doesn't feel and what it is like.

Because it's your job to know.

[CorbinFisher_BD]

B
If you depend on the sea for money and food. Plus you grow up a boat-scont from bumfuck no where, with a bunch of other people that lived and died on that rock. You damn well know what the creature feels or doesn't feel and what it is like.

Because it's your job to know.

Well I'm still gonna go with the study over you.

I grew up in the desert but that don't make me the world's foremost expert on sand.

[Hamilton Steele]

Well I'm still gonna go with the study over you.

I grew up in the desert but that don't make me the world's foremost expert on sand.

So I take it you didn't grow up in a village of glass blowers?

And I'm sure some expert on sand can catagorize, break down what sand's chemical compounds are, work out the atomic weight, etc.

But they wouldn't be able to turn that sand into so much as a simple glass to drink out of.

Same can be said for studies on fish, fishing villages and fishing.

I've seen some species of fish bite a hook, rip part of it's mouth open and still go back over and over again for that bait.

Trust me if they felt pain the same way you and I do, they would have left the hook alone after the first strike. Most animals do.

[XXXWriterDude]

Regarding fish:

Trust me if they felt pain the same way you and I do, they would have left the hook alone after the first strike. Most animals do.

Yeah, but isn't the theory that because their brains are so small, they don't retain the memory of pain? I guess if we were fish, we would know for certain just how much pain it is possible to feel, but I would suspect that a big ol' hook through the mouth would be plenty painful for just about any creature with a circulatory system.

[Hamilton Steele]

Regarding fish:




Yeah, but isn't the theory that because their brains are so small, they don't retain the memory of pain? I guess if we were fish, we would know for certain just how much pain it is possible to feel, but I would suspect that a big ol' hook through the mouth would be plenty painful for just about any creature with a circulatory system.

I don't want to get into another one of these debates.

Right now I'm living in France and watching it degenerate into a facist Nazi state. I'm really up to my eyeballs in work, problems and controversy.

How about someone tell some Newfie jokes.
Or spam my french yahoo group with gay porn so I can laugh at homophobes.

I really need a laugh right now.

[jIgG]

we have a problem with stray cats and dogs back home a lot.
I've had to carry pepper spray and/or gas gun to keep these pests off my dog being attacked.

My grandmother has been attacked by stray dogs. I've almost been attacked by stray dogs so many times I lost count.

I'm all for castration or putting them to sleep, humanly not beating the crap out of them.