Are Hot Desert Knights models are getting younger (20s) and more clean cut?

[Marc]

Just noticed that in some of their latest releases the guys are in their 20s and kind of college jock type buff guys.
They look more clean cut now, to me.

In their older movies the guys tended to be 40 something and rougher around the edges.

Do you think this is intentional, like that's what the market is demanding more of, or do you think thats just the models that have been coming in lately for shoots?

I'm asking because im putting together some daddy and bearish type sites but if theres way more demand for the clean cut kinds of guys then I might rethink my strategy here,

[Dzinerbear]

Yes and it's disappointing. Xstr8guy and I have been asking for more older and hairier guys, but they keep putting out more of their Euro boy stuff. And they're hot, too. But HDK/GAP is drying up as a source for mature men, leather men, and hairy guys. There's still lots to buy, but if you've been buying it all along, like Jim and I have, the pickings are getting thin.

I wish Hot Desert Knights would get back to their roots. They were the best.

Michael

[Dart]

I second that.

[Xstr8guy]

Hopefully Bill will swing by to address this question. But until then, let me give you my perspective.

I have a long history with Hot Desert Knights. I've pretty much based my entire mini-empire on HDK/GAP men like Will West and Steve Parker. Bill Gardner is a GOD to me and great mentor. I love you Bill!

I got involved with them when i first started in the business. I was promoting a sponsor that was illegally using content from HDK. The sponsor provided content to it's affiliates. I used some of that content to build a couple AVS sites. Bill contacted me and told me to remove all of his content from my AVS sites. I was scared shitless!

That's not a great way to start a relationship, . But Bill was very understanding of my situation and decided to work with me. He allowed me to purchase content from them way before they opened up GayAdultPhotos.com... heck, I think that was even before HotDesertKnights.com opened up it's membership site. At the time, the only legitimate bareback sites were my AVS sites and bareback.ca. (I think, although I may be wrong).

In the early days, Bill was (I think) at the center of all of the action... even to the point of filming a lot of the action. I believe it's a matter of public record that HDK got it's start by filming their own personal play parties and it grew from there. Also they were based in Palm Springs... the center of the daddy universe.

Bill and his partner relocated to the east coast a year or 2 ago. And that's when the focus shifted to Euro types of men. I think HDK must be outsourcing a lot of their movie shoots to European videographers. This has made it kind of difficult for me to continue in my current niches. GAP used to frequently update with new hairy/mature models. Man, it was great... new hot hairy daddies every week!

To adapt to the content released by GAP since, I've had to adjust. I still use a lot of GAP content but my niches have expanded to include the younger Euro models. The Euro guys have their own charm... big uncut cocks, hard smooth bodies and exotic european faces. And for the most part, I've adjusted without chasing away my original surfers. However, I've had to pursue content from other sources to continue with the hairy and mature niches.

My $.02, you can't go wrong by using any of GAP's content. It's still under-used compared to Ounique and MaxPixels. They continually update more often than the other 2 content brokers. And everyone at GAP is a pleasure to work with.

[maxpower]

I am glad they can get as young as they want, twink content now days really is main stream, I have them in my site, and yes was glad to see younger guys. I think it had to do with their Fratmen feeds being the #1 traffic generator for them!

[Marc]

Mind you im not complaining, I'm just seeing which way the wind is blowing.

I remember PRSimon had videos and they were the only game in town (as far as I could see). But they went out of business or are trying to sell it or something.
McKey made like 5 videos then stopped. Treasure Island had some gruffer older men in their early videos but now its all about the smooth tight bodied 20 year olds.

So I dont know what the truth is on daddy/bear/gruff men content. Does it sell or not?

I mean if McKey only made a few videos and PR Simon closed shop and Paul Morris and HDK may not be concentrating on it as much as before then what does it say about that niche?

[maxpower]

I am sure some people can make living off of it, but its a ken to Asian content in my book “common and hard to sell” The gay market is very youth oriented, now if you put some bears with some young twinks then I think you will have something to sell.

[Marc]

and what happened to http://www.gruf.com/ ?

bearscans brisbane is still there but it looks like the exact same guys I saw back in 1997 http://bsb.org/
http://www.topbear.com looks exactly the same as before, no new guys in years.
http://www.manhaven.com/ is gone now
http://bear.net/ down
www.woofwatch.com gone

jeez, these sites should be ROCKING with activity and sales and new content since theyve been up since the early days and cater to more older/bear/amateur gay men.

Are bear surfers just cheap or something and dont buy?

[maxpower]

well like this guy http://www.amateurdanou.com/vidscum.html he is giving way his videos for free, bear stuff is hard to sell or even for this guy to give away. For most guys if you want to see a bear or hook up with one its not that hard, adult sites are about fantasy and what’s out of a persons reach in real life. That’s what I think people will pay for, hell even most bears like twink content, but the same can not be said for twinks. BTW twinks online normally are broke anyway. All of this is just my option of course. :kelly:

[maxpower]

All this said someone has to make bear sites, but its not main stream enough for a major feed company to specialize in it.

[Marc]

well like this guy http://www.amateurdanou.com/vidscum.html he is giving way his videos for free, bear stuff is hard to sell or even for this guy to give away. For most guys if you want to see a bear or hook up with one its not that hard, adult sites are about fantasy and what’s out of a persons reach in real life. That’s what I think people will pay for, hell even most bears like twink content, but the same can not be said for twinks. BTW twinks online normally are broke anyway. All of this is just my option of course. :kelly:

well thats just some guy, you cant use that as an argument, as there are tons of people giving away porno of themselves for free, for kicks.
Hell, look at MySpace.

Im not just talking about Bear, because HDK didnt have really bears in their early videos. Im talking about that whole range of daddy type men, or hairy men, or guys who look a little rough around the edges.

I think there is a market for this. I think there are a ton of guys who would rather have sex with a hairy truck driver or a tattooed bricklayer then some gum snapping 18yo.

Im just suprised these early sites that were once so popular now appear either stagnant or gone.
So maybe I'm totally wrong on this.

[maxpower]

well thats just some guy, you cant use that as an argument, as there are tons of people giving away porno of themselves for free, for kicks.
Hell, look at MySpace.

Im not just talking about Bear, because HDK didnt have really bears in their early videos. Im talking about that whole range of daddy type men, or hairy men, or guys who look a little rough around the edges.

I think there is a market for this. I think there are a ton of guys who would rather have sex with a hairy truck driver or a tattooed bricklayer then some gum snapping 18yo.

Im just suprised these early sites that were once so popular now appear either stagnant or gone.
So maybe I'm totally wrong on this.

Maybe your right I guess their are some people like that for sure, "BTW that guys pics came from this site" but apparently they are allot less likely to buy content, maybe they have all hit 65 now and don’t care about sex anymore LOL or the market is filled with more effeminate viewers that are less likely to take a chance on adult sites who knows man. Live and let live if people want to make Bear sites more power to them, I would really prefer if every one but me would stop making twink sites at all

[maxpower]

This is not 100% on topic but as I look at it the age thing goes

18-20 Teen Boys
20-26 Twinks
24/28 Frat boys
26-35 Jocks
35+ Bear/men

Some over lap but that’s about right in my book

[Dzinerbear]

The bear niche sucks. It doesn't sell at all. I would concentrate on twinks.

:noddy:

Michael

[Lee]

The bear niche sucks. It doesn't sell at all. I would concentrate on twinks.

:noddy:

Michael

I agree, twink is where its all at, leave those less common and micro niches alone they really dont sell.

Regards,

Lee