I don’t know what you all think I have to gain by lying, but I am retaining around 60-65% of new members “I just look at it again” after I have drooped the trials and did a price change. I don’t know the long term numbers on this yet, and my sales have been rather down this month like allot of people I have heard say on this board, but what I said was true. If it is so outlandish to retain over 50% of people with out a trial then, I guess I should be charging 49.95$ for every recurring membership then. As I understand it 60% is about average so I really don’t know what the big deal is.