Ya you are right about the flat payment option man, I am really happy that you did not try to BS people about it, that shows allot of character on your part. When I open my updated members site I will also be sure to offer a flat payment option, I am thinking 25$ right now, a little more than the whole initial cost to the joining member. I hate trials, going to try to say away from them for awhile I think, at least for my sites. :francais: