Bio Info for Models?

**gaystoryman** · 06-19-2006, 04:14 AM

Keep Canada out of this... 2257 is a US thing.. but if you wanna do business there, its a good idea to have. :thumbsup:

**chadknowslaw** · 06-19-2006, 05:25 AM

Originally Posted by DEVELISH

When do the site needs to have that 2257 disclaimer?

if the site is

hosted in the US?
owned by someone living in the US?
owned by someone outside US / Canada and targeting US / CA?
accepting sales from someone living in the US?
using a US based biller?
accepting sales from a US based customer?

DEVELISH

The US Department of Justice is of the mindset that if you sell to US customers, you need to comply with US law. I can actually understand their reasoning in this matter in that if you sell anything in any particular country that item you sell there has to comply with local laws. If you are selling sexually explicit content or motorcycles or bottled water, when it is sold in a particular country it should comply with local laws. Selling through the Internet is just a relatively new and different animal because there is really no way to put internet content through customs.

For those that believe they are outside the reach of US laws, be aware that 2257 is part of a child pornography statute. By treaty there is cross-border enforcement of child pornography statutes so theoretically the DOJ can reach an offshore entity in two ways --first that the product was sold to a US citizen thus availing the seller of US laws and second that by treaty child pornography statutes have a global reach. Realistically there is little chance of enforcement of 2257 against a non-US entity but it could be done in theory.

I believe that if you are a US entity or selling to US customers, you are theoretically responsible to comply with US law, including 18 USC 2257. I don't believe hosting or billing is enough to establish a nexus, but if you are hosted by a US company or billing through a US biller then most likely you are selling to US end-users anyway.

maxpower · 06-19-2006, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by boyfunk

No, and I'm breaking my own rule.

READ 2257 CAREFULLY.
Get an attorney fluent with 2257.
It doesn't have to do with your personal filing and storage. It has to do with your personal freedom.

That’s just grate what now? I can really not afford a attorney right now I know I will need one to look at all this crap. Can I not call a guy Billy if his real name is Ivan, or if a guy lives in Russia say he really in the US just to keep the illusion of the site going personally, I would think its better for the guys for me to indulge their Bios a bit? What could be wrong with that? Its not like I would say they are 15 when they are really 19 all this crap just gives me a headache :cry:

**DEVELISH** · 06-19-2006, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by maxpower

That’s just grate what now? I can really not afford a attorney right now I know I will need one to look at all this crap.

Wrong way of aproaching business in this very area...
First read, understand, learn, consult, understand, read learn then buy content and build - not the other way round.

DEVELISH

"Thou shalt first learn the trades of thy guild then read thy emperor's words and then conduct thy business..." ~ Mariano 19:06

Paco · 06-19-2006, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by DEVELISH

Wrong way of aproaching business in this very area...
First read, understand, learn, consult, understand, read learn then buy content and build - not the other way round.
DEVELISH
"Thou shalt first learn the trades of thy guild then read thy emperor's words and then conduct thy business..." ~ Mariano 19:06

excellent quote - that says it all!

maxpower · 06-19-2006, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by DEVELISH

Wrong way of aproaching business in this very area...
First read, understand, learn, consult, understand, read learn then buy content and build - not the other way round.

DEVELISH

"Thou shalt first learn the trades of thy guild then read thy emperor's words and then conduct thy business..." ~ Mariano 19:06

Don't hesitate, those who hesitate are lost :Matthew 22

**djdez** · 06-19-2006, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by maxpower

What if I do not know the stage name should I use their real name or make one up?

Never ever use a models real name. If you don't know his stage name, then make one up

maxpower · 06-19-2006, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by djdez

Never ever use a models real name. If you don't know his stage name, then make one up

Thax man, that was what I have been doing glad I do not have to redo it now, and that I can create a bit of illusion in my fantasy porn site. After all we all see to much of reality everyday, its not to have some fun. :santa:

**chadknowslaw** · 06-19-2006, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by maxpower

Don't hesitate, those who hesitate are lost :Matthew 22

Prisons are filled with foolish men that didn't get good legal advice.
Chad 22

**chadknowslaw** · 06-19-2006, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by djdez

Never ever use a models real name. If you don't know his stage name, then make one up

Don't do this.

maxpower · 06-19-2006, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by chadknowslaw

Don't do this.

So I should use their real first name? Its not like I even care about the last name at all, but why can I not call them what I want, and give their location as what I want? After all its just for viewers, and helps the guys.

**DEVELISH** · 06-19-2006, 12:33 PM

Hi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/18_U.S.C._2257
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text...75_main_02.tpl

§75.2
(d) For any record created or amended after June 23, 2005, all such records shall be organized alphabetically, or numerically where appropriate, by the legal name of the performer (by last or family name, then first or given name), and shall be indexed or cross-referenced to each alias or other name used and to each title or identifying number of the book, magazine, film, videotape, digitally- or computer-manipulated image, digital image, or picture, or other matter (including but not limited to Internet computer site or services). If the producer subsequently produces an additional book, magazine, film, videotape, digitally- or computer-manipulated image, digital image, or picture, or other matter (including but not limited to Internet computer site or services) that contains one or more visual depictions of an actual human being engaged in actual sexually explicit conduct made by a performer for whom he maintains records as required by this part, the producer shall add the additional title or identifying number and the names of the performer to the existing records and such records shall thereafter be maintained in accordance with this paragraph.

I hope I can chat with Chad over 2257 while we have a coke I owe him - please, don't ask folks

maxpower · 06-19-2006, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by DEVELISH

Hi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/18_U.S.C._2257
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text...75_main_02.tpl

I hope I can chat with Chad over 2257 while we have a coke I owe him - please, don't ask folks

I see nothing in that that says I can not call them what I want in my sites Bios, that is about record keeping I do not have a problem with that. Really what can they do if I have the real info on the guys and say their names are all BOB and from Texas in the Bios? Has anyone ever got in trouble for that in the real world?

Come on guys lets keep on track here please :coffee: