Which Free AVS works best?

[Dzinerbear]

The problem with AVS is webmasters who look at it as a traffic source only. If you don't actually try selling the AVS at all and you're just looking for traffic, you're going to find the experience very dissatisfying. Do you really think AVS sites are stupid and don't know everyone wants their traffic? Do you think they just sit back and allow it to happen?

Why do you suppose that AVS/AEN sites have such complicated rules and submission guidelines?

Let's look at Rainbow Passport as an example. If you submit a gallery with even one single traffic leak to a link list or other paysite on the tour pages, your site is approved and dropped to "tier 2." This means your script works, but you don't ever show up in their listings or search engines, so baby, as far as traffic goes, you're on your own. If you submit a clean gallery with no outside traffic leaks, you're a tier 1 and in the search engine. And most AVS/AEN sites work like this. Some like DeluxePass allow no traffic leaks anywhere inside or out.

If you submit crap, they'll happily approve it, this way if some traffic happens to stumble across your site and clicks the join button, they've got your traffic. But crap always sinks to the bottom. They don't show your site in their listings or they bury it so deep that it's at the bottom of 98,000 other sites and no surfer will ever find you.

If you submit galleries that try to sell the AVS/AEN service (and try and upsell their premium products) then you'll earn more favour with the AVS/AEN. They'll list you and rank you higher in their search engines because they recognize you're creating a good product for them.

My best advice to the traffic-seeking webmasters is to simply stop wasting your time building bullshit galleries. You're just burning up your time and money. If you put the effort into creating a better product, you'll (a) make some money off AVS memberships (and what's the difference whether you're getting a cheque from UGAS or Sean Cody) and (b) you'll be able to get more traffic to your site because your gallery's getting more exposure.

AVS is dying only because most webmasters didn't ever figure out how to make them work so they moved on to free sites, TGPs, links lists, paysites, and now blogs and review sites. You know how quickly and how much this business changes, why do you think 1999 tactics are still going to work in 2006?

Cheers,
Michael

[marcjacob]

The problem with AVS is webmasters who look at it as a traffic source only. If you don't actually try selling the AVS at all and you're just looking for traffic, you're going to find the experience very dissatisfying. Do you really think AVS sites are stupid and don't know everyone wants their traffic? Do you think they just sit back and allow it to happen?

Why do you suppose that AVS/AEN sites have such complicated rules and submission guidelines?

Let's look at Rainbow Passport as an example. If you submit a gallery with even one single traffic leak to a link list or other paysite on the tour pages, your site is approved and dropped to "tier 2." This means your script works, but you don't ever show up in their listings or search engines, so baby, as far as traffic goes, you're on your own. If you submit a clean gallery with no outside traffic leaks, you're a tier 1 and in the search engine. And most AVS/AEN sites work like this. Some like DeluxePass allow no traffic leaks anywhere inside or out.

If you submit crap, they'll happily approve it, this way if some traffic happens to stumble across your site and clicks the join button, they've got your traffic. But crap always sinks to the bottom. They don't show your site in their listings or they bury it so deep that it's at the bottom of 98,000 other sites and no surfer will ever find you.

If you submit galleries that try to sell the AVS/AEN service (and try and upsell their premium products) then you'll earn more favour with the AVS/AEN. They'll list you and rank you higher in their search engines because they recognize you're creating a good product for them.

My best advice to the traffic-seeking webmasters is to simply stop wasting your time building bullshit galleries. You're just burning up your time and money. If you put the effort into creating a better product, you'll (a) make some money off AVS memberships (and what's the difference whether you're getting a cheque from UGAS or Sean Cody) and (b) you'll be able to get more traffic to your site because your gallery's getting more exposure.

AVS is dying only because most webmasters didn't ever figure out how to make them work so they moved on to free sites, TGPs, links lists, paysites, and now blogs and review sites. You know how quickly and how much this business changes, why do you think 1999 tactics are still going to work in 2006?

Cheers,
Michael

i know your not really aiming that solely at me, but i did say that i allways build quality sites to the best of my ability.

i do try to sell avs passwords, my problem is that im crap with google so i end up sending tgp traffic which doesnt convert as well allthough i make avs sales and see it as a bonus.

i also upsell to premium avs, so i do benefit the avs in many ways.

do i think avs's are stupid? yep - look through the links list of any avs and see the shite they except.

whats the difference bewteen a ugas check and sean cody check? well i wouldnt piss on ugas if they were on fire. i certainly wouldnt sell my soul to them (allthough i think dave is an ace guy). so thats a bad example for me, but in general i welcome checks from avs's, i just welcome checks from sponors too. the avs does very nicley from webmasters so wheres the harm in us getting more back? they are not our friends. there in it to make cold hard cash and so am i. they use us and we use them. both the avs and the contributors benefit.

[Dzinerbear]

Actually Marc, my comments weren't directly at you personally or specifically. But rather I was addressing the pervasive attitude that the only thing AVS is good for is getting traffic, but that doesn't work. It's a fallacy. Most AVS hubs stop webmasters dead in their tracks, they only think they're pulling one over on the AVS.

It's like TGPs, if you cheat, you either get a reputation or you get banned. Short-sightedness doesn't get webmasters anywhere.

Cheers
Michael