You don’t think if we set them up some other place like Germany “I still don’t trust them” that we could have saved 10,000s of lives? I would not want to have to live in a country that was always under attack like this or that every man and woman had to join the army at some point. To me this is another example of a mess we made ourselves and are blaming other for it. The middle east is not going to get better, and as we move away from oil products its just going to get worse. :argue: