Extreme Content - Whats Your Opinion On It?

[Lee]

Well i guess that proves another point that was talked about at the show...

There's no way in hell the industry could self-police itself because webmasters cant even agree on the basic stuff.

Lets hope the government does a good job at setting up the new regulations for the adult industry

Regards,

Lee

[maxpower]

Lets hope the Gov. stays the hell away from my and everyone else’s right of free speech and artist freedoms. Some of us do not want to live in a virtual box. :thumbsdown:

[longboardjim]

hmmm... i had to think what i considered was extreme!

i think everyone has their "limits" and no two limits are alike , some might think making love with the lights on ..."is the limit!"... while others might think that making love on the balcony in plain site of the public is "extreme".
i don't produce content for "shock-value" (that's too easy especially when your creative) i think it's more of a challenge of taking something "ordinary" and making it "extra-ordinary" (people are more intrigued when you can take an oject/place/etc. which they have access to and never thought of using/doing/etc.)
i am torn on this issue for it is often "extremist" who "blaze the trail" for new idea's and although "shocking" and/or "offensive" at first , too often they set the "trend" for the public.
agreed! , there are some things i will never photograph , what comes to mind immediately is "dead people" , there was a site i ran across which used "dead people" (probably someone who had access to a morgue) which i found completely demoralizing but then i'm sure someone out there might think otherwise.
i am not sure where this is going , but i have no desire to compete with "sick" :ill:

jim

[Lee]

More and more flesh, extreme action, barebacking etc isnt neccessarily what turns people on and in turn make sales.

Shhhh.... Yes it is

The more people that dont understand this the better off the rest of us are going to be

Regards,

Lee

[Squirt]

Well i guess that proves another point that was talked about at the show...

There's no way in hell the industry could self-police itself because webmasters cant even agree on the basic stuff.

Lets hope the government does a good job at setting up the new regulations for the adult industry

I think you're being a bit of a drama queen Lee

As a whole we agree on SPAM issues.

We agree on no nudity on entry pages and exit pages, as a whole.

We agree that innapropriate keyword advertising to lure underage surfers is wrong

We agree that we need more processing choices

We agree that the current 2257 regulation aren't effective in doing what they were meant to do

We agree that our freedom of expression is at risk in the current political environment

And plenty more things we agree on, and like any other industry there will be people who don't agree and go against the grain.

Oh and a lot of people agree that people pushing more and more extreme content get what they deserve. Is this right?

[Squirt]

I think SleepingMen is actually a really good example of how you can still come up with something new that is very different and something that will catch people's attention without being extreme...........Many sites and webmasters forget about what actually turn people on. More and more flesh, extreme action, barebacking etc isnt neccessarily what turns people on and in turn make sales.

We both think alike in this area. The new content I have under development for a new site has this same aspect in mind as well.

A lot of content producers disconnect with what they are creating and only focus on moving further in the physicality of what they shoot, not the mentality of what they shoot.

A good example of this outside the adult industry is music videos. After a while each one has the same feel and experience, but when a producer takes the time to connect the viewer with the music through the video, those are the videos that stand out and really touch people.

Now in the adult industry extreme porn touches people, but in a negative way. If the theory is true about people acting out what they see in film then what kind of sexual health are they promoting through producing that kind of content? Probably the same kind of health that extreme music promotes? Who knows but one thing is for certain... if you're personally going through a self destructive phase and listen to hasher music that's something you can work through, but if you perform some of the acts in this extreme porn content, you will never be the same. Your body will forever be changed. Something to think about.

[gaybucks_chip]

The "proverbial line" changes with time, and with every new administration.

We don't want any line drawn limiting how someone feels we can express ourselves.

Exactly. Let's not forget that Lucy and Ricky had separate twin beds in their 1950s "I Love Lucy" bedroom... and the show almost got cancelled when Lucy got pregnant in real live, because the censors wouldn't allow a pregnant woman on television. Look at how things have changed now... we could NEVER have legally produced even "vanilla" gay porn in the 1950s, and so anything that were codified now would be hopelessly outdated in one way or another within a few years.

My constitutional law prof when I was in college talked a lot about how magnificent the Constitution is simply because it was written so flexibly as to continue to be valid and applicable to our society today in spite of being written 230 years ago. Would be nice if we could come up with guidelines that are as lasting as the words of the constitution, but that seems unlikely.

[shaun]

This is a really tricky issue here.... but, I would like to point this out: even if none of us were doing extreme content, the religious right would STILL be trying to put us out of business. For example...NONE of us in the real adult industry are producing cp, but this is the excuse they are using to try and make it impossible to comply with regualtions that we are mostly trying to comply with.

That said: Before I was doing the rather soft core gay side of the biz, I was one of the very FIRST of the extreme producers. I had a straight site (girl on girl and solo only....) doing fisting, ws, BDSM, bloodsports, wierd objects... etc etc etc.

I wasnt doing this just to be shocking... I was doing this because it is what floats MY boat. It was artistic. It was political. It was ETHICAL (our models generally had so much fun that they told all thier friends, who told all thier friends.....)

Nowadays, I wouldnt touch that content with a 10 foot pole, regardless of what I might do in the confines of my own home.... because I dont want to fight with some prosecuter about the fact that I was doing extreme because I BELIEVE in pushing the edges of consensual play.... and I am not brave enough to go to jail to fight for my rights on this issue.

But, I must say that I find more than a little hypocricy in the adult industy right now.... from people who should know better....

"My kink is erotic... but yours is just plain disgusting....."

[basschick]

the problem is that a lot of shock content makes people other than the religious right feel that porn is a threat. extreme content makes it easier for politicians to make normal people who aren't worried about 2 girls and a guy or 2 guys in a video worry.

am i saying i know what to do about this? fuck, no! but i do recognize the pattern.

http://www.whippedass.com/updates/full0.php does it right. all the sites in that program show bdsm and bondage, and after every session they also show the people who participated smiling and happy. that very clearly makes a statement - that this is voluntary and consentual and done for fun. if more sites would do this, less people would believe that people are being kidnapped and harmed.

[shaun]

well said!

Also, I need you to PM or IM me in a couple of days I have something for you!