Child Pornographers + Theives

[CJ-KJCash]

An apology,

I have been too quick to judge someone else, and an apology is in order. I it is not my place and right to judge how someone else runs their forum or board - the one discussed here or any other.

It has been a most unfortunate chain of events and I apologize for what I've said. Its not up to me to decide what should be shown, discussed or run on someone else’s site even if I might not agree on a subject or not. That is best left to the owner of a forum. I this case I do not have enough knowledge, experience or know the history of what has been discussed to even agree or disagree.

I also mentioned a site - Manboy dot com - While it’s a name that can be associated with questionable content or meaning - It has never and still is not used for that same reason:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://manboy.com

The site should have not been mentioned since it’s irrelevant to the discussion, so is my comments - irrelevant.

Regards

Bjorn

Bjorn,

You have more integrity than any webmaster I have ever met.

I was pretty horrified this past weekend watching what went on. I found the behaviour of many involved to be really shameful. It really made me wonder if there is such a thing as a webmaster community, and if this was it did I want to be any part of it.

I understand being aggressive in business but it went way beyond that. I only found the webmaster boards a couple of years ago. I worked on my own prior to that and managed to do OK without all the boards. I really like the information and exchange but it is just not worth it to have all that drama and trauma.

I think this whole situation is the result of certain person trying to manipulate circumstances for their own personal benefit, and lots of people seemed to get caught up in it. Interesting to watch gang mentality blossom in a forum.

I look at how many views this shit has gotten, and I know how much time I have spent following it, and all I can think is WHAT A FUCKING WASTE OF TIME. As a matter of fact, I think this is going to be the last post I make for a while. I have a lot of work that needs to be done, cant afford to waste more time on all this shit.

[realtoughbear]

An apology,

I have been too quick to judge someone else, and an apology is in order. I it is not my place and right to judge how someone else runs their forum or board - the one discussed here or any other.

It has been a most unfortunate chain of events and I apologize for what I've said. Its not up to me to decide what should be shown, discussed or run on someone else’s site even if I might not agree on a subject or not. That is best left to the owner of a forum. I this case I do not have enough knowledge, experience or know the history of what has been discussed to even agree or disagree.

I also mentioned a site - Manboy dot com - While it’s a name that can be associated with questionable content or meaning - It has never and still is not used for that same reason:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://manboy.com

The site should have not been mentioned since it’s irrelevant to the discussion, so is my comments - irrelevant.

Regards

Bjorn

Bjorn,

I am breaking my rule that I posted earlier about not posting here. I to became too involved in this just as you have.

You have said it better than I can. Just as your site is an example of a man with great pride and passion. So are your remarks. Cheers to integrity in an industry that needs it the most.

Sincerely,
lloyd
aka "abostonboy"

[GaryUK]

What a disgraceful smear attack on a new board and its users like myself. Lee you must be really worried. I'm glad I'm posting over there where there is usually a nice friendly community and not on here.

Really nasty stuff Lee... You should be totally ashamed for starting this thread.

[Lee]

What a disgraceful smear attack on a new board. Lee you must be really worried. I'm glad I'm posting over there and not here. Really nasty.

Its only a 'smear attack' if what was said is found to be untrue, otherwise, its called 'telling the truth' LOL

From what i can gather, we've uncovered a design theif, script theif, and several people promoting child porn / pseudo child porn, i do beleive that pretty much says it all

Regards,

Lee

[GaryUK]

You have attempted to smear everyone who is on there. Which 'site owners' (plural)? There was one site in question.

You must be worried that the board in question has got more than 60 users in its first couple of weeks? For good reason...

[realtoughbear]

Its only a 'smear attack' if what was said is found to be untrue, otherwise, its called 'telling the truth' LOL

From what i can gather, we've uncovered a design theif, script theif, and several people promoting child porn / pseudo child porn, i do beleive that pretty much says it all

Regards,

Lee

Lee,

I am sure if someone wanted to go to as low as level as you did they could find the same here as well.... And let's not forget those same members were members of your board before thay posted on IGP. Everyone has made mistakes in this business at some point. I am reminded of content thieves being allowed in a system everytime I see the sponsor advertising at the bottom of your site.

Reagards,
lloyd

[GaryUK]

I'm sure most people will see through this for exactly what it is. Adding further to your existing reputation Lee, which has travelled far and wide.

I have no idea about the other stuff you mention, but since when was a message board responsible for the activities of its users when they are elsewhere?

What a great introduction this has been to GayWideWebmasters. I think I'll avoid in future. It remind me of exactly why I am on InGayPorn rather than anywhere else.

[Lee]

I think now would be the perfect time to point out that it actually wasnt me who accused IGP of anything, in fact, the first reference to IGP was posted by DannyZ as you can see here..

http://forums.gaywidewebmasters.com/...3&postcount=10

What would have made him think to post a link to that board i wonder, especially when it wasnt mentioned anywhere in this thread until his post.

Things that make you go hmmm...

Regards,

Lee

[rick]

You might want to retract that statement

Regards,

Lee

Why? It says you have to list the actual name of the custodian of records, and the actual business address where the records are kept.

[Lee]

Why? It says you have to list the actual name of the custodian of records, and the actual business address where the records are kept.

The FSC disagrees with you and, the location where the records are kept is listed.

Regards,

Lee

[Lee]

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://manboy.com

Wow...

Look at all the references to 'boys' and 'kids' on some of that page in addition to some of the pages it links too :eek:

'innocent boy nudes'
'babyfaced boys'
'boy sex'
'baby wants a daddy'
'boy play'
'kid in a kilt'

Scary stuff :eek:

Regards,

Lee

[Lee]

Everyone has made mistakes in this business at some point.

So you are saying it is okay to promote child porn / pseudo child porn and steal as long as the person admits it is a 'mistake' and everyone should then move on as if nothing has happened?

Interesting ideology.

Regards,

Lee

[maxpower]

You can skew about any text to make about any point you want, but taken the context most of that is fine and just webmasters playing with text NOT promoting CP. What is scary to me is this mccarthyism witch hunt some are undertaking for personal and financial gain like I said when this all started. :shitpoke:

[rick]

The FSC disagrees with you and, the location where the records are kept is listed.

Regards,

Lee

Not really. Are the records kept in Suite whatever, or in that same building? You know how the courts are and they could nitpick that very thing. In fact, I'd bet something like that would be what trips people up and not a lack of record keeping.

But listing the name of the employee who is Custodian of Records has always been around, even in the original law.

As far as the CP stuff, I won't click links to see what content is there, but words are associated with CP and man love is certainly not a good thing to be associated with in this industry.

All it does is put suspicion on the rest of us and lump us all into a category of gay adult webmasters trying to get young kids.

I wonder how many people registered on this board who don't post, or don't post often, have sites that many of us would turn up their nose at.

[GaryUK]

Bitchy dramatic forums are not my scene. I'm more interested in discussing how to make more money in the adult business, different techniques and the best tools to use. As anyone who reads my posts will tell you. I've said what I think. I only signed up on here to do that. So, it's back to business, I'm out of here ;-) I hope some of you will think about what exactly you have got involved in here. It isn't pretty.