I do not believe there is a place in punk for glamor - it's never been about that!

To a punker, their attire was their weapon, or the sign which informed others of their beliefs. These individuals (punkers) did not go out and buy out fits - they made them!

Docs were punk, until all started wearing them, no matter their bent! Soon after real punkers shunned DM's!

As for the NewYorkDolls: they were mocking the ways of others. They did not try to look glamorous! It was actually the opposite: they tried their hardest to look like they had been put though the wash with out a make-up change! They were poking fun at fashion divas like Mick, of the Rolling Stones and such. They were anarchy at it's finest and not even Gary Glitter could compare to the OD'ing boys in drag!

That is how I perceived their 'message' (punk and the NYD).

Just ask any old schooler (60's or 70's) what they think of the what many now call punk.

Punk was heavily opinionated and never conformed or subscribed to conservative ways! It did not tread lightly because that is defeating the purpose!

My definition of punk does not even allow for the likes of Green Day! Yah sure, a few punkish tunes may have been released. However their albums were not solely punk, so they are not!

p.s. not trying to offend - it is merely my opinion.