I must say that I believe JUB has done a excellent job in avoiding most of the stagnation issues I see for so many LL now and in the future. I really do try not to call out any one site or service when talking about issues like this, but I do think just like UGAS in the AVS market JUB where the LL that blazed this trail to hell for most of us. I really have nothing but respect for the guys at JUB as I do see them as a leader in many ways, but that said I do not believe where they are leading us is necessarily a good place for the industry as a whole.

Before you think I am just calling out JUB I will say at least they still take real submissions from webmasters, and do return some traffic. This is much more than many LL do now days

Oh don't get me wrong, I didn't mean to say anything bad about JUB either. I mentioned them just because they are huge and used to send really massive traffic to submitted free sites, it converted very well and that's why the difference is that easier to notice.

I still like them, they accept sites and occassionally the traffic will convert. But it's not like in the old days and I don't think we can rely solely on that kind of traffic any more. Which really sucks cause I suck at generating traffic on my own