Are sponsors allowed to do this?

[maxpower]

It appears though that some sponsors think they are only doing a favor to affiliates, seeing no need to explain why an agreement was canceled. There was another thread where CorbinFisher plans on ending their agreement with hundreds of webmasters.

That really does have to be the most egregious thing I have ever heard of a affiliate program doing. Even seriously considering doing something like that to the point you talk about it in pubic deserves condemnation from the adult community.

[basschick]

sam, if what i was just told by another board member is true, the people who termed you are - imo - way out of line. they may not like what you kept telling everyone - and it wasn't very smart of you to keep pushing when they made it clear in each post how uncomfortable they were - but since it was apparently the truth, i can't see how they can term you without further discussion.

on the other hand, making people that uncomfortable is usually going to have some unpleasant side effects...

[samebb]

sam, if what i was just told by another board member is true, the people who termed you are - imo - way out of line. they may not like what you kept telling everyone - and it wasn't very smart of you to keep pushing when they made it clear in each post how uncomfortable they were - but since it was apparently the truth, i can't see how they can term you without further discussion.

on the other hand, making people that uncomfortable is usually going to have some unpleasant side effects...

I have discussed it with a number of trusted people, and yes from your responce here you are probably aware of who and what it was regarding.

If this company do wish to cease working with me, thats fine. If i was sent an email saying "we no longer wish to work with you, here is the money you are owed, have a nice life" i would simple walk away. However this has not been handled in that way, and i personally feel "ripped off" again.

Im unsure if i should post the details of who caused this Patti, maybe you could advise me if it would be a smart move. I am sure you can see by the way i can constructed this thread i have in no way tried to cause drama or any kind of slander towards the company in question.

Someone as knowledgable as yourself Patti, or anyone else who has any advice on this, i would really appreciate your input.

Thank you everyone.

[maxpower]

Just talk to Bass in PM if she will do that, but sounds like you kind of fucked man. I know its hard to deal with now, but sure you will move on in no time.

[samebb]

Just talk to Bass in PM if she will do that, but sounds like you kind of fucked man. I know its hard to deal with now, but sure you will move on in no time.

Yes, thanks for that maxpower. I will move on no problem. It wasnt an obscene large amount of money, its just the fact that i feel robbed, AGAIN, by the same people. First Reece Dylan, then the people he has working for him as "managers" for a short period.

[spazlabz]

as someone who has daily contact with our affiliates I can say I hate to do this, but sometimes it is absolutely unavoidable. I will give you a recent example and another close call.

recent example was one of our affiliates was sending out Spam, we clearly do not allow that (I even received this spam in my inbox!)... we were contacted by our registrar who was going to kill our domains unless we sent them 'proof' that we killed this affiliates account.

We clearly state which ways cannot be used to promote our sites and that the funds will be forfeit if those rules are not followed. It sucks but if you think any method you use might be considered illegal or unethical check with the sponsors TOS and find out for sure, or shoot off an e mail prior to starting the campaign and check to make sure it is ok. Their affiliate manager should have no problem letting you know in a timely manner if it is acceptable or not... and if they don't then maybe they aren't the program you should be wanting to promote in the first place

2cents

spaz

[samebb]

as someone who has daily contact with our affiliates I can say I hate to do this, but sometimes it is absolutely unavoidable. I will give you a recent example and another close call.

recent example was one of our affiliates was sending out Spam, we clearly do not allow that (I even received this spam in my inbox!)... we were contacted by our registrar who was going to kill our domains unless we sent them 'proof' that we killed this affiliates account.

We clearly state which ways cannot be used to promote our sites and that the funds will be forfeit if those rules are not followed. It sucks but if you think any method you use might be considered illegal or unethical check with the sponsors TOS and find out for sure, or shoot off an e mail prior to starting the campaign and check to make sure it is ok. Their affiliate manager should have no problem letting you know in a timely manner if it is acceptable or not... and if they don't then maybe they aren't the program you should be wanting to promote in the first place

2cents

spaz

Hi Spaz.

I think you got the wrong end of the stick here mate. I was in no way promoting any site against TOS. That is not what this issue is about.

Infact, i wasnt even aware my account had been closed as was still sending traffic, and most likely sales. I went to check my stats one day, and it didnt work. So i mailed asking why i didnt work.

I was then informed my account was closed, and i wont be paid.

I dont believe that is what you, or any other upstanding sponsor do.

[Richard Craver]

i understand TOS and all that..

but when suspending an affiliate for whatever reason, doesn't the company have the responsibility for being specific about what sections in the TOS have been violated etc? and giving the affiliate time to respond?

not only would it be fair and reasonable, isn't it a legal requirement to be specific as well?

[FisHY]

We as a company do not feel at all comfortable working with Samebb for a large variety of reasons, just one of which is slandering. I think anyone that knows a bit of history will be able to see why Samebb was blocked from our program. Why would any company allow someone to promote them when their aim is to damage our company?

As for ‘stealing’ Sam’s money. Sam never even reached our minimum payout which is why he wasn’t paid before. I checked his stats and he was owed $88. We will pay that to him in hopes that it will settle this matter amicably. We never said we would not pay. That was the quote from the terms and yesterday when I spoke to Sam (before he posted this thread) I did ASK him for his epassporte account to show that we had every intent to pay him what he was due and settle this in a fair matter (guess he did not tell you this). If anyone has any concerns or questions please contact us directly, our affiliate program and management are stronger then ever and we look forward to a very successful 2007.

Fishy
fishy(@)zbuckz.com

[spazlabz]

Hi Spaz.

I think you got the wrong end of the stick here mate. I was in no way promoting any site against TOS. That is not what this issue is about.

Infact, i wasnt even aware my account had been closed as was still sending traffic, and most likely sales. I went to check my stats one day, and it didnt work. So i mailed asking why i didnt work.

I was then informed my account was closed, and i wont be paid.

I dont believe that is what you, or any other upstanding sponsor do.

Well I had read some of the other comments, not all of them I confess, but the general feel I got from the first post was could a sponsor do this. the answer is an unfortunate 'yes' but it should be handled responsibly.

If this is a step I have to take then the first step before i actually kill the account is to contact the affiliate. Sometimes we can find a work around

Important DOS tip: PLEASE make sure you have a working e mail account that is checked regularly when you sign up for a sponsor program

I am sorry to hear about what this other company did and I appreciate that you recognize that not all of us out there take such a cavalier attitude when it comes to YOUR traffic and YOUR earnings


spaz

[Lee]

If this company do wish to cease working with me, thats fine. If i was sent an email saying "we no longer wish to work with you, here is the money you are owed, have a nice life" i would simple walk away. However this has not been handled in that way, and i personally feel "ripped off" again.

I agree with you.

Its theft, plain and simple.

Regards,

Lee

[wnc]

Its theft, plain and simple.

Regards,

Lee

Again, seems a personal issue between two people become a thread. NOW we know the SPONSOR.

NOT a surprise.

[samebb]

Again, seems a personal issue between two people become a thread. NOW we know the SPONSOR.

NOT a surprise.

No, the sponsor wasnt CondomCash. I havent worked with CondomCash before, but i may do this year.

[basschick]

lee, what do you think? post the name of the sponsor or not?

i can see why they might not want to do business with a particular affiliate but i really think sam should be paid. i can see where other people who promote programs would want to know who this program was.

on the other hand, it could raise some drama that won't help sam or anyone else.

thoughts?

[basschick]

it was NOT a personal issue. it was very much all within doing business and it was not lee.

Again, seems a personal issue between two people become a thread. NOW we know the SPONSOR.

NOT a surprise.