You have to understand where we are coming from here. Many of us think more than a single popup is excessive. So when you give us links to popup laden tours (especially browser hijackers) it's not appreciated. So you shouldn't be surprised when people act negatively to it.Originally Posted by D-Rock
I see that now, thank you for clearing it up for meXstr8guy Quote:
You have to understand where we are coming from here. Many of us think more than a single popup is excessive. So when you give us links to popup laden tours (especially browser hijackers) it's not appreciated. So you shouldn't be surprised when people act negatively to it.
I did post the wrong links the first time, and that was my fault so I appologized and put up new links console free - That's the /000000000 links.
Sure you can get a cut of that action of you sing up on partnership. But on PPS you you cant. The amount of transactions generated by forign traffic is not poportional to the amount of traffic. 95% of transactions are genreated from non forign traffic. Hit me up on ICQ if you want to dicuss more.02-14-2007 08:32 AM
shaun
Do you know how many Americans live overseas, and how many Europeans have credit cards - and you are auto redirecting your foriegn traffic to a dialer pop up? Do your affiliates get a cut of THAT action?
Thank you again everyone for your comments, I see that the largest issue I will have to work on is new content.
Derrick
If 95% of your traffic is generated from non foriegn traffic, you are doing something SERIOUSLY wrong. Some 30% of our sales are from foreign traffic (and we haven't even gotten around to translating and localizing our sites yet.)
I can tell you that you are NOT going to win the trust of the euro marketplace by popping dialers at them.... they KNOW that this is a rip off scam....
Europeans now have more money to spend than americans. They increasingly have regular credit cards, just like Americans, and there are new ways to provide billing available. The DIFFERENCE is that Europeans are much smarter than Americans with their money, less prone to impulse buying - so, if you want to sell to your foreign marketplace, give them quality and a persuasive sales pitch. Preferably in thier own langauge. (Do you have ANY idea exactly how CHEAP it is to localize your sites in Spanish, French, Italian, and German?)
But for GODS SAKE don't be using those rip off dialers and traffic redirects. Because you ruin it for those of us with some knowledge in the European m marketplace. Plus - well - I'm sure it wasnt YOUR PERSONAL decision, but most of the dialers are as slimy as the 99 dollar phone calls to Santa Clause that took down most of the dial-a-porn industry.
You're right I didn't PERSONALY make the decision to have these "rip off" dialers. They were a part of the busienss before I started. I appreciate your comments and I will definitely look into changing a few things with regards to this.shaun Quote:
But for GODS SAKE don't be using those rip off dialers and traffic redirects. Because you ruin it for those of us with some knowledge in the European m marketplace. Plus - well - I'm sure it wasnt YOUR PERSONAL decision, but most of the dialers are as slimy as the 99 dollar phone calls to Santa Clause that took down most of the dial-a-porn industry.
shawn, all the bigger programs tell us that only 5% of sales are in eu. of course that is true because they use geo-redirecting to send eu traffic elsewhere as a rule. it keeps affiliates from getting paid for a lot of their eu traffic and is also how they manage to pay per sale with content that obviously keeps their rebills far lower than a site like corbinfisher.
and keep in mind that these sites get more console sales if the tours use lame text and old content.
We payout $30-$35 on $1 trials, so we loose money right up front.02-16-2007 03:54 PM
basschick shawn, all the bigger programs tell us that only 5% of sales are in eu. of course that is true because they use geo-redirecting to send eu traffic elsewhere as a rule. it keeps affiliates from getting paid for a lot of their eu traffic and is also how they manage to pay per sale with content that obviously keeps their rebills far lower than a site like corbinfisher.
and keep in mind that these sites get more console sales if the tours use lame text and old content.
You have no clue what rebills are on larger programs like PythonPays.
And still these tours with "lame text and old content" still manage to convert and retain...Funny isn't it?
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i remember when ars stopped using the same exact content and retention was why. they were very up front about it and they weren't the only ones who have said so and made changes.
other large programs like topbucks do offer the console free option in their normal stats.
Not all surfers are porn savvy enough to know what the top quality sites are. That is what allows inferior sites to remain in business.
It's not really just about these sites alone though. I think I'm speaking for most in this thread when I say that my traffic is exposed to much higher quality sites, and that such traffic wouldn't be impressed with your sites.
It's like flipping through TV channels... NBC... CBS... public access... CNN... it's obvious where people aren't stopping.
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