Open Thread

[XXXWriterDude]

I am really over this, but for the most part the people that think this kind of crap is cool, really have nothing to do with these companies or being a affiliate at all. Their are a few member sites, and directories I see that have the same ethics saying so, but that’s it.

It's really unfortunate that you are so one-sided, and can't see beyond your own disappointment. Life is all about seeing two sides to every coin. That's what makes people mature. As a business person, you should be able to put your personal feelings aside and see this as a wonderful opportunity for JUB to take their business to the next level, and you should be happy for them.

I'm sure if I had been sending sites to them and those sites were denied, I, too, would be disappointed, and no one is saying that you don't have the right to feel that disappointment. But you're not seeing the bigger picture. You're choosing to wallow, and you're choosing to attack a company who has their own agenda. And the end-all-be-all is that it is THEIR agenda to plan. Give them the props they deserve, feel your pain, and let it go. You either accept it or you don't, but to continually attack them by tossing around terms like "crap" and "BS" is certainly not doing you or your business any good. You're not only burning a bridge with JUB, but several other webmasters on here who may have been beginning to warm to you may now be second-guessing doing any work with you. Having your say is sometimes not as important as you think it is.

My advice to you--and you may certainly take it or leave it, seeing as how you didn't really ask for it (even though posting on a public forum is essentially a form of asking for advice)--is that you seriously need to step outside yourself for a moment and let this one go.

That's my $.02.

[maxpower]

sean, please take a step back. none of this is personal at all and businesses must evolve to survive. also there is not a single link site or directory on the entire internet that is obligated to take any particular kind of site or any particular owner's site. these are private businesses and they can make whatever rules work for their sites.

what's more, if you would come to a webmaster lunch - and they are fairly local for you - you could meet andy mike, and maybe bryce. they're super nice guys and are always doing innovative stuff with JUB. each change may not work out well for you or for me, but they are trying to make something different.

there are TONS of link lists and directories. you can find more. personally i like the idea of a site that lists only high quality stuff - which is not to say i don't like regular lists, too.

here's a serious thought. why not start a twink site list of your own? you can post all your own stuff and other webmasters' stuff as well. all that text should bring some nice se hits and having linkbacks, no matter where on a site, will raise your pr.

I know they are cool guys Bass, if they can deal with my rambles they would have to be but I see many of these people destroying the profession I love. If you going to play these link games while pretending to be doing it for viewers, why not create all your own members sites too? Hell you might put 100 people out of work with your innovations, but you could hire a guy to get you coffee in the AM.

What a wonderful world we will live in if these corporate pirates could stream line the whole web like this.

I wish I could create a bunch of LL’s to replace the fake ones, but I am only one person that is stressed out enough as it is. I have been working pretty much every waking moment for years now, and could go on for hours about the members sites I have to update every day, the free/avs/fhg/mgp sites I have to create/list, the affiliate program I am working with designers now to launch, and countess other carp that fills my days.

[maxpower]

It's really unfortunate that you are so one-sided, and can't see beyond your own disappointment. Life is all about seeing two sides to every coin. That's what makes people mature. As a business person, you should be able to put your personal feelings aside and see this as a wonderful opportunity for JUB to take their business to the next level, and you should be happy for them.

I'm sure if I had been sending sites to them and those sites were denied, I, too, would be disappointed, and no one is saying that you don't have the right to feel that disappointment. But you're not seeing the bigger picture. You're choosing to wallow, and you're choosing to attack a company who has their own agenda. And the end-all-be-all is that it is THEIR agenda to plan. Give them the props they deserve, feel your pain, and let it go. You either accept it or you don't, but to continually attack them by tossing around terms like "crap" and "BS" is certainly not doing you or your business any good. You're not only burning a bridge with JUB, but several other webmasters on here who may have been beginning to warm to you may now be second-guessing doing any work with you. Having your say is sometimes not as important as you think it is.

My advice to you--and you may certainly take it or leave it, seeing as how you didn't really ask for it (even though posting on a public forum is essentially a form of asking for advice)--is that you seriously need to step outside yourself for a moment and let this one go.

That's my $.02.

Well if their site was failing I can see a need to do stuff like this and I would be understanding, but I would not be going around hiring new people at the same time you are saying how you site no longer work the way it used to. I would really Love to see these Free Sites that are going to set a new stranded for everyone, so when and IF they ever list some I please let me know.

I am really over it though, its not like these guys have not margined themselves years ago as far as affiliates go, I am just trying to stop this cancer from spreading in the only way I know how.

[Lee]

but I see many of these people destroying the profession I love

Idiot.

Its webmasters that submit templates sites to places like UGAS and JUB that are destroying the industry, not link lists changing their rules.

I tell you what, i guarantee you that in 3 months after the rules have changed, there are still going to be people submitting sites and cheating JUB out of traffic, which will mean the rules will need to be changed again because of the few that ruin it for the masses.

Hell you might put 100 people out of work with your innovations

Tough.

If people werent able to change their business model to get with the times, they had no place being in business to start with. Although to be fair, the bar has been lowered considerably in the past 5 years as to what someone actually 'needs' in order to become part of the adult industry, hopefully changes like this will start raising the bar again.

I know its a capitalistic viewpoint but, if you cant afford to adjust your business model to get with the times, perhaps you need to find a new vocation, i hear McDonalds are looking for staff again... Ding fries are done!

I wish I could create a bunch of LL’s to replace the fake ones

You mean a bunch of templated sites just to get the traffic? OMG! Shock horror, exactly the thing that JUB are trying to avoid happening on their own site.

I have been working pretty much every waking moment for years now, and could go on for hours about the members sites I have to update every day, the free/avs/fhg/mgp sites I have to create/list, the affiliate program I am working with designers now to launch, and countess other carp that fills my days.

Sounds like you need to be working smarter then. If, in all these years you havent figured out how to streamline the process of running your sites, perhaps you should think about a 'career' change?

Regards,

Lee

[maxpower]

I will apologies to JUB for some personally things I did say, its not only them doing this stuff. But they have lead us down this road, where listing free sites is now considered one step from Spam

I am not sure why it seems no one can see what I am saying, and still keep acting like all this is anything more than CRAP.

Lets see these Superior Sites, would it not be a good idea to have a few before you stop taking any outside links, and removing other peoples hard work.

REally I dont care anymore, I have alot of work to get back to anyway L8

[Squirt]

I am not sure why it seems no one can see what I am saying, and still keep acting like all this is anything more than CRAP.

Lets see these Superior Sites, would it not be a good idea to have a few before you stop taking any outside links, and removing other peoples hard work.

REally I dont care anymore, I have alot of work to get back to anyway L8

We all have work to do as well

But yet again we all took the time to help you understand

And yet again you don't get it.

A waste of everyones time and effort on your behalf

[wnc]

Just a bump that MAX has two threads running the same topic

Maybe someday, he will get the answers he seeks.

[maxpower]

Just a bump that MAX has two threads running the same topic

Maybe someday, he will get the answers he seeks.

Personal I am fine with this thread dying, they do not have to answer to me in fact the effort they did go though does say alott. I am fine with moving on with my life

I just wonder how many of your 46 posts had something to do with me?

[wnc]

Sorry
Much was written and MUCH invaluable info was exposed.

[deanb]

I just wonder how many of your 46 posts had something to do with me?

I wanna keep up with his post count now. It should be noted that he is at 47 now!

[maxpower]

I think it served its purpose, even thought I did not come off too good I guess. I hope it made some people think about the road we are going down. This was just my naive tempt to offer the only resistance, or put light on a issue I think is a growing and potently dangerous situation for a large number of people in webmaster community. :hmm:

Sometimes I think my lack of ability to properly express some issues I worry about is a big part of the problem. But I have always been more of a visually oriented person so this is a area I am lacking.

[wnc]

I wanna keep up with his post count now. It should be noted that he is at 47 now!

LAUGH... I dont post often, as my count shows, but I read every day.

I do hope that MAX earned enough from his many posts FROM LEE.

[maxpower]

I wanna keep up with his post count now. It should be noted that he is at 47 now!

Let it be noted your only 2 posts off now :p

How is the Village these days man?

[wnc]

Max... almost 50 posts now

You complain that you have no time for your business, yet you abuse people here in the forum. After you say sorry, a few days later, you arrive full force again in attack mode. Like now, TWO THREADS with same theme, I guess you wishing someone to say.... MAX... YOU ARE SO RIGHT...

NOT!

Writing 3000 messages, I would think you are full of BS, but recently a invaluable member reviewed your efforts. You are on the path of success, it seems, but you have burned so many bridges along the way.

[deanb]

Let it be noted your only 2 posts off now :p

How is the Village these days man?

I am assuming you mean the bar It is now called S4. They totally remodeled it, I think they added one something like 7500 sq feet or something crazy. You can check out pictures of it now at http://www.caven.com/

Actually I am getting dressed to head there now