Failing Industry?

[maxpower]

I really don’t get this AVS stuff, I can see it if you are just learning, or can not take Visa on your own. But I can crank out small members sites all day, and put them together into my own AVS looking system, charge them less and still make more. Not that this is the best idea in the world, but if I am going to do all the work I really have no need for them at all. Traffic is king, and if they can not offer that to me directly, then I might as well do it all on my own. At least I know I will “probably” not fuck myself over at the end of the day.

[maxpower]

Several years ago someone once told me this about traffic...

'The more you give, the more you get'

You'd be wise to think about that.

Regards,

Lee

Ya Lee your right, its on my list to create a free/avs LL of my own that I will share traffic with anyone willing to send usable sites. Its not the sharing traffic, its the doing all the work and only getting 50% of the pay.

[Xstr8guy]

Woo hang on, I am not going to create some AVS hub’s to generate traffic for them NO. I will pool thier sites but thats it though. See this starts to go back to wasting MY traffic, and sounds like allot of time too. If I am going to create a Hub or LL to get traffic basically to help my members sites they are going to be Free not AVS. Because I want MY traffic to be used on MY sites or at least the most profitable alternatives, with the least effort possible. Sounds lazy, but I do have many more things to do then treat AVS members like they belong to a real site.

Again, I think you missed my point entirely.

First off... a hub doesn't need to be a huge complicated thing. I've automated most of the process by using Arles, so it doesn't take me hardly anytime to update an AVS hub site.

Second... I'm not talking about MY own traffic at all. I saying that I make regular 50 pic galleries for yearly AVS members, filter the AVS traffic to my hubs and then try to convert them to a Premium monthly membership by showing my best content ONLY on my Premium sites. I'm essentially using the AVS's traffic to upsell to monthly recurring memberships.

It's a more honest approach to using AVS traffic. I benefit from the traffic and the AVS benefits from me using good fresh content AND upselling to their monthly memberships. Everyone wins.

[Dzinerbear]

My biggest problem with AVS is they wanted me to waste MY traffic on something much less profitable.

No Max, speaking from experience, you're biggest problem with AVS is that your galleries aren't good. You're one of that breed of webmaster that never really changed with the flow, you kept doing what you always did, and then, complained about diminishing results.

That's the whole point of this thread. Business models change as surfers expectations and desires change. If you don't change along with them, the surfers will go looking somewhere else. And then, you, and 5,000 other webmasters are standing around saying AVS is dead, TGPs suck, link lists are traffic stealers, blogs are worthless. None of these business models is dead, some of them may not bring results as easily when they first emerged on the scene, but they're all still profitable for a great deal of people who continued to change their offerings to such entities.

Michael

[Squirt]

No Max, speaking from experience, you're biggest problem with AVS is that your galleries aren't good. You're one of that breed of webmaster that never really changed with the flow, you kept doing what you always did, and then, complained about diminishing results.

That's the whole point of this thread. Business models change as surfers expectations and desires change. If you don't change along with them, the surfers will go looking somewhere else. And then, you, and 5,000 other webmasters are standing around saying AVS is dead, TGPs suck, link lists are traffic stealers, blogs are worthless. None of these business models is dead, some of them may not bring results as easily when they first emerged on the scene, but they're all still profitable for a great deal of people who continued to change their offerings to such entities.

Well said

and

again

he still wont get it :worm:

[gmr324]

surfers are growing to expect more quality content given what they can get for free on youtube, myspace for free!

[JamesXR]

Hi, dealing with a lot of people from the straight side of the industry, I think there might be a bit of a gay bubble growing, especially as straight sites see gay as another niche to serve.
I seem to hear tell of the massive disposable income that gay guys have and how they feel no reserve about paying for porn or sex toys. It sounds a little like goldrush talk.
Of course, here I am breaking into the sex toy industry affiliate program since it looks underserved in terms of quality and payouts, and since gay guys and kinky straight guys just buy more toys than porn watching straight guys. I'm probably not the only guy who sees it as fresh new pastures.